New buttons in 8910 RDF not in KM.

e34m5 · Post by **e34m5** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 10:54 am

Ok I edited the RDF for the 8910 and now I have Phantom 1-4. The problem now is that when I try to create an upgrade in KM (in this case it's an upgrade for TV0250) it won't let me assign functions to PH1-4 because it thinks they don't exist.

How do I revise the KM (v8.11) to accept these new "buttons".

Post by **The Robman** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 10:57 am

You don't. Just create the key moves the old fashioned way in IR.exe

e34m5 · Post by **e34m5** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 11:00 am

Ok. I also just realized that when I updated the RDF I could have called those new buttons anything I wanted. Since I always use PH1 for discrete on and PH2 for discrete off I will change the text to refelct that.

Tx.

DGG · Post by **DGG** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 11:13 am

Do you mean KM doesn't show the new key at all or that it is "grayed-out". If the latter, you must use a keymove. If the former, is it shown by IR? If not, there may be a problem with your mod to the RDF.

Incidentally, what key numbers did you use. On my extended 8911 (identical to 8910) the only unused key numbers in the RDF in the $00-3F range are 0 and $3f. Phantom 1 and 2 are predefined as $3D and $3e. I suspect 0 is a special cases and Phantom3 on $3F is such an obvious move that, since its unused, I suspect it too is a special case and isn't available.

e34m5 · Post by **e34m5** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 11:17 am

I meant "grayed out" since I had revised my RDF I wanted those "new buttons" to show up in KM as well. No big deal I'll make old fashioned KeyMoves.

These are the values I used in the RDF:

Phantom1=$3D, Phantom2=$3E, Phantom3=$3F, Phantom4=$40

DGG · Post by **DGG** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 11:33 am

I'd be interested in knowing if the 8910 lets you use $3f and $40 and phantoms.

e34m5 · Post by **e34m5** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 11:34 am

Yes it did.

gfb107 · Post by **gfb107** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 11:46 am

KM doesn't use the RDFs. All the data is internal to KM.

RM, on the other hand, does use the RDFs. Depending on what protocols you are using, RM may be a better choice in this case.

e34m5 · Post by **e34m5** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 11:48 am

I tried loading and using RM and it totally barfed...I posted some questions but never recieved answers..I'll try again.

gfb107 · Post by **gfb107** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 12:12 pm

If you are referring to this post, you'll see that I answered your post in less than 10 minutes, asking for additional information, and you never replied. I do want to figure out why you couldn't even get RM loaded.

e34m5 · Post by **e34m5** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 12:16 pm

Sorry I guess I never saw that. I am using Java 1.3.1

I saw the 1.4 issue. This may be a problem for many of us who won't be able to upgrade due to other applictions currently using Java 1.3

gfb107 · Post by **gfb107** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 12:23 pm

OK. Java tries very hard to keep backward compatibilty between releases, so most code that runs of 1.3 should also run on 1.4, but that may not be true of some of the apps you use.

e34m5 · Post by **e34m5** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 12:30 pm

Yeah..I did a separate install for Java 1.4 and got it working.

johnsfine · Post by **johnsfine** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 12:31 pm

e34m5 wrote:Sorry I guess I never saw that. I am using Java 1.3.1

I saw the 1.4 issue. This may be a problem for many of us who won't be able to upgrade due to other applictions currently using Java 1.3

In that other thread Mark wrote

Mark Pierson wrote: Considering that Java integrates itself into the OS, it's not possible to have more than one version installed at any given time. Remember, Microsoft and Sun do NOT like to play in the same sandbox.

I think he's wrong. The computer I'm using now has Microsoft Java installed and used by defualt in IE, by a browser based Java application that fails with Sun. At the same time, I have Sun Java installed and used for RM.

On another computer, several months ago, I had two different versions of Sun Java. I was using the one that hadn't been "Installed" for RM. To have a not "installed" copy of Sun Java, I just unpacked all the files to a new directory and used the Java executable there (via a .bat) to launch RM.

I don't recall all the details. I think I needed Greg to explain a few subtleties of invoking Java from a .bat file. But I'm sure it worked and didn't disturb the other copy of Java.

mr_d_p_gumby · Post by **mr_d_p_gumby** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 12:42 pm

DGG wrote:On my extended 8911 (identical to 8910) the only unused key numbers in the RDF in the $00-3F range are 0 and $3f.
I suspect 0 is a special case...

$00 is never a valid key number on any UEI remote. $3F would possibly be valid, as long as the remote does not do something special with it.

Sometimes the usused key numbers represent buttons on a different model remote that happens to use the same internal "guts". In some of those cases, the button may do something special and not be usable as a phantom. As an example, one model might have a Light button for the backlight, where another model may not implement the backlight nor have the button present. In that case, you could not use the unimplemented Light button as a phantom. You'd have no way of knowing this in advance, though, except by trial-and-error. Sometimes extenders remove these limitations.