IR / KM ? on Learned Codes with Multiple Protocols & Dev

tkilm1 · Post by **tkilm1** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 7:59 pm

Below is a table containing learned codes for a Scientific Atlanta Explorer 4200HD cable box for which i have a few questions:
1) how do I handle two protocols using KM when there is only one field to enter the protocol? e.g Panasonic_old and Panasonic
2) how do i handle two device numbers using KM; e.g. Device 27 for the Panasonic_old protocol functions and Device 144 for the Panasonic protocol functions
3) most of the learned buttons provide a choice of 3 EFC's. can i use any of them?
4) a few functions included multiple sets of EFC's. how do i enter those in KM?

Thanks for your help! -- Tom

Buttons using "Panasonic Old", device 27...

OBC Function
16 - Num 1
17 - Num 2
18 - Num 3
19 - Num 4
20 - Num 5
21 - Num 6
22 - Num 7
23 - Num 8
24 - Num 9
25 - Num 0
29 - Ch+
30 - Ch-
32 - VOL+
33 - VOL-
14 - Last
34 - Mute
06 - Guide
08 - Info
57 - Menu (pt1)
10 - Menu (pt2)
12 - Select
02 - Up
11 - Down
04 - Right
03 - Left
47 - A
48 - B (pt1)
46 - B (pt2)
49 - C
44 - Exit (pt1)
15 - Exit (pt2)
07 - Power
54 - Page_Up (pt1)
01 - Page_Up (pt2)
55 - Page_Down (pt1)
00 - Page_Down (pt2)

Buttons using "Panasonic", device 144.0 ...

OBC EFC - Bound Key
002 183 - Rew
010 055 - Play
003 187 - FFWD
006 182 - pause
000 181 - Stop_Eject

Post by **The Robman** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 10:21 pm

The easiest way to set this up would be to create 2 seperate upgrades, one for all the panasonic_Old functions, and another for the Panasonic functions, then keymove the Panasonic functions into place. Just FYI VCR/0162 uses Pan 144.0

As for the 3 possible EFCs, ignore them, use OBCs when you enter the functions. There are 3 EFCs because the Pan-Old protocol is a mini-combo protocol that let's you combine up to 3 device codes.

johnsfine · Post by **johnsfine** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 5:16 am

Do those Panasonic VCR commands really mean something to your Scientific Atlanta Explorer 4200HD cable box? When you use those learned signals what operations do they perform on the cable box?

Typical cable box remotes can be programmed to support the basic transport functions for a variety of VCRs and include those buttons only for VCR support, not for any operations on the cable box itself.

tkilm1 · Post by **tkilm1** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 7:15 am

The Panasonic VCR keys (play, pause, stop, ffw, rwd) are used to control Cablevisions PPV/VOD service so they are functional. I will try Rob's suggestion of two upgrades and keymoves. Still looking for an answer on how to handle the learned signals with multiple OBC's like "menu" or "B" functions listed below.

Thank you very much for your guidance and support of us newbies.

johnsfine · Post by **johnsfine** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 7:51 am

tkilm1 wrote:I will try Rob's suggestion of two upgrades and keymoves.

As Rob said earlier, the Panasonic VCR functions already exist in (at least one) built-in setup code. So you can do those KeyMoves without the second upgrade.

RM and KM support "external functions" to cleanly handle the situation where your device uses a few functions from another setup code. Though those become KeyMoves as KM transfer the upgrade to IR, they are defined on the Functions tab of KM, not the KeyMoves tab. Look for the "External Functions" documentation in the Readme file for KM.

tkilm1 wrote: Still looking for an answer on how to handle the learned signals with multiple OBC's like "menu" or "B" functions listed below.

The way you showed those in your list makes it look like the original remote actually sent two commands in sequence (but I'd need to have the eeprom image file saved from IR.EXE containing those learned signals and examine them myself in order to be certain.).

You might want to relearn those to make sure the remote really did that by itself (not a keying accident during learning). You might want to test the two different commands alone to see what they do.

Ultimately you may want a key to send more than one command in sequence for those (or for other operations). Look into the DSM protocol (especially the easier version that requires an extender) for sending a sequence of signals from a device specific key.

Post by **The Robman** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 10:10 am

Just FYI, Panasonic (Old), device 27 matches 4 cable codes: 0008, 0277, 0477 and 0877. I just gathered together all the EFCs that I could find for each of those setup codes and have compiled them into one master upgrade file: CBL_0477.txt I was able to find codes for the transport keys (ie, REWIND, FFWD, etc) so you might want to give it a try just in case they work for you, as this would eliminate the need to use keymoves.

Regarding the buttons that use two OBCs, my guess is that they did this deliberately so that the remote would cover several cable boxes. There are several commands for which there are a couple of possible OBCs, take MENU for example, according to the codes that I found, it could be OBC 10 or OBC 57, which corresponds to the signals you learned. Like John suggested, I bet you'll find that if you test them, only one will actually work, so you won't need to try to re-create the double signals to get your upgrade to work.

tkilm1 · Post by **tkilm1** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 3:01 pm

Thank you Rob

You were right in that only one of the OBC's was needed to make it work. Regarding the transport keys, I realized i had the original remotes VCR/VOD switch on VCR which created the multiple protocol issue. WHen I switched to VOD, it used the same protocol.

Tom