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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 4:53 pm    Post subject: PANASONIC DMR EX77EB Reply with quote

Hi,

I have almost managed to prepare an upgrade for the DVD recorder shown above but have been having problems findings the correct EFC code for five buttons.

When using the learning function the following buttons show the following ERF codes to have been learnt when downloading to IR.

Options, 189
Text, 133
Red, 169
Green, 167
Blue, 165

When using Keymap Master to enter these as functions and then upload them to IR there is a strange problem. The buttons they are assigned to have no effect when pressed ?

Can anyone help, I managed to get the yellow button working with a ERF code of 229.


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1. Device: Panasonic DMR EX77EB (European Model)
2. Type of device: DVD Recorder with Hard Disk
3. Year: 2007
4. JP1/UEI Remote model: URC8910
5. Do you have a JP1 cable? - Yes
6. Still have original remote? - Yes
7. Checked the file section? - Yes
8. Checked Pronto file section (at R/C)? - Yes
9. Partially working setup code? - Yes, Panasonic DMR EX75-2116
and Panasonic Master DVR
10. Learning remote question? - I do have one and learnt codes that were not working.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When looking at the decodes of learned signals, don't look just at the EFC number. Look also at protocol, device and subdevice. If those don't match the values in ordinary functions of the same device, you'll need a helper setup code or a combo protocol. In any case, we would need to know those values to give you more specific help.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

The full information from the learning tab on IR is as follows:

Protocol Device Sub-device EFC

Options Panasonic 176 0 189
Text Panasonic 176 1 133
Red Panasonic 176 1 169
Green Panasonic 176 1 167
Blue Panasonic 176 1 165

This seems to tie in with keymap master which has a protocol code of 00C9 and device number of 176. I noticed that the sub-device for the last four of the buttons was 1 instead of 0. Will this nead to be input onto keymap master somehow ?

Thanks for your help.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many Panasonic devices use the same device number for each button but some buttons (often groups such as red, green, etc.) have a different subdevice number from the rest.

If you find that all the buttons learned from the original remote have the same device number but some have different subdevice numbers then use the Panasonic Combo protocol. If there are different device numbers for different buttons then try the Panasonic Mix Combo protocol.

When IR learns the signals it will report simply as Panasonic protocol but it will also give the device and subdevice numbers for you to use.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:37 am    Post subject: PANASONIC DMR EX77EB Reply with quote

Hi,

I checked the sub-device of various buttons at random and the result is that every one except from four (Text, Red, Green, Blue) is set to sub-device 0 whereas these four are set to sub-device 1.

I changed the protocol to the panasonic combi using KM with the bright yellow column having either 0 or 1 entered in it. I then copied the new codes to IR including the changed protocol. The outcome when uploading from IR is that none of the button are now working ?

I tried a sub-device of 1 and 2 instead of 0 and 1 but this did not help.

Thanks for any help.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you have such issues, it is usually much more helpful if you upload the files in question (IR with Learned signals, KM Upgrade file and IR file with the KM upgrade added) you have created and are having problems with to the Diagnosis area, and provide links to them here. Then somebody can take a quick look and possibly spot an error you have made.

Amongst the possibilities:
    Incorrect data entered on the General Tab for OEM codes,
    You forgot to copy and add the Protocol upgrade in addition to the Device Upgrade, o
    thers which might become evident upon inspection of your files.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 2:28 pm    Post subject: PANASONIC DMR EX77EB Reply with quote

Hi,

I have added the Keymap master file and IR file amended using this to the diagnosis area of the filing section using the title "PANASONIC DMR EX77EB"

I cannot spot any problems with either of these myself and was hoping someone could.

The problem being that none of the buttons are now working after changing the protocol to the Panasonic Combi. The change being made to try to get a final four buttons working that were not working on the Panasonic protocol. The final four were all shown as sub-device 1 instead of sub-device 0 when using IR to read learned signals.

Thanks for any help.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:04 pm    Post subject: Re: PANASONIC DMR EX77EB Reply with quote

GOGGS75 wrote:
Hi,

I have added the Keymap master file and IR file amended using this to the diagnosis area of the filing section using the title "PANASONIC DMR EX77EB"
Links, please?
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=5336
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=5337
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suspect your problems is that you changed the OEM code, but without your LEARNED signals

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....upload the files in question (IR with Learned signals,....
it's difficult to say whether you built the KM upgrade properly.
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RCVR: Onkyo TX-SR875; Integra DTR 40.3
DVD/VCR: Pioneer DV-400VK (multi-region DVD), Sony BDP-S350 (Blu-ray), Toshiba HD-A3 (HD-DVD), Panasonic AG-W1 (Multi-system VCR);
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:34 pm    Post subject: PANASONIC DMR EX 77 EB Reply with quote

Hi,

I have added the IR file that works in full using the panasonic protocol and four learned signals (PIP=Text,L1=RED,L2=GREEN,L4=BLUE) to the diagnosis area. I have tried to work out how to add a link to the file but cannot work this out.

As can be seen all of the learned signals are sub-device 1. This is inconsistent with every other button which is sub-device 0.

Should I be able to use a panasonic combi protocol to avoid using learned signals or is it best to stick with this file ?

Thanks for any help

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:40 am    Post subject: Re: PANASONIC DMR EX 77 EB Reply with quote

GOGGS75 wrote:
I have tried to work out how to add a link to the file but cannot work this out.

Upload your file.
Find your file and right-click on it; choose "Copy Shortcut".
Start typing your query thus:

> I would like to ask you to look at [url=

Now press [ctrl]-v to paste this string:

> http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=5124

and now type:

> ]this file[/url] for me, please.


Looks elaborate, but if you do it this way then you will consistently get a neat posting with the long url-string replaced by the words "this file", highlighted and linked to your file. It is good practice to avoid long url's in any case as they mess with the layout on these bulletin-board forum pages.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eh, and try and avoid multiple postings - somthing amiss with this machine I'm on, I think.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GOGGS,

First thing that I notice:
(1) Your KM file does NOT use the default OEM Code of 2. This is NOT a subdevice code, so you must delete your entry there and let it default (to 2)


If I had to bet, I would say changing that one entry should fix your problem. If not, then read on....

That KM file has some notes from the original creator that seem to conflict with the protocol help notes - at least they serve to confuse ME. Here's what the protocol help says:

Code:
Panasonic Combo:

This version is based on the flawed official UEI Panasonic Combo
protocol. The code was broken in many of the earlier remotes and did
not calculate correctly.

This version combines all Sub Device numbers for one Device number.

Panasonic ALWAYS uses OEM Code1=2 and OEM Code2=32. To use
this as for a JVC-48 combo, use OEM Code1=3 and OEM Code2=1.

This leads me to suspect that perhaps your changing of OEM Code 1 from the default (2) to 0 is incorrect. Try deleting your entry for OEM Code 1 and see if it improves. (OEM codes are NOT Subdevice codes.)

Have you tried the Panasonic Combo2 protocol rather than the Panasonic Combo1? That may overcome some inherent flaw with Panasonic Combo1.

Finally, the Panasonic Mix Protocol should work.
Code:
Panasonic MIX Combo:

This protocol allows you to combine up to 6 device and sub-device
codes.  You could combine 5 device codes with 1 sub-device code,
1 device code with 5 sub-device codes, or any variation inbetween.
However, the sub-device codes must be listed AFTER the device codes.

Enter your device and sub-device codes in the "device code" cells on
the Setup sheet, then when you enter your function codes, in the
"byte2" column, enter a number (1 thru 5) to select a device code,
followed by a space, then another number (2 thru 6) to select a
sub-device code.


There you would enter 176 as Device 1, 0 as Dev2/Sub2, and 1 as Dev3/Sub3.

Then on the Functions sheet MOST of your fuunctions would have a byte 2 (column C) entry of "1 2" while the four oddballs would be "1 3".

I don't know if you have more than one JP1 remotes, but another thing you could try would be to learn the signals you are generating and see what they decode as.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Capn Trips wrote:
If I had to bet, I would say changing that one entry should fix your problem.
I would agree. In addition, make sure you copy & paste the Protocol Code into IR's Protocols tab.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:15 pm    Post subject: PANASONIC DMR EX 77 EB Reply with quote

Hi,

Deleting 1 as the the entry for the OEM Code on KM has solved the problem and I now have a full ugrade. Thanks for everyones help.

I tried to tidy up the diagnosis area but could not work out how to delete the files no longer required. How can this be done ?

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