JP1 Remotes

EdA · Joined: 20 Dec 2003 Posts: 10 Location: San Jose, CA

Hi, I've recently picked up a 15-2117 and a JP1 cable and am new to this combo. (I've downloaded and used the IR program with success)

I am trying to figure out learned keys and discrete codes for a Philips receiver/cd player (Setup code = 1189). It's one of those stereo and cd player "all in one" unit type receivers.

The Philips original remote has a specific button for "tuner", another for "CD", another for "Aux", and one for "power". When one of the device keys is pressed the receiver turns on and goes into that specific device mode (sounds like the original remote button is a macro). If the unit is already on and it's in a specific device, say CD, and you press "Aux" it just goes into Aux mode. But when the power button is pressed, it only shuts down the receiver, it does NOT turn the receiver on (sounds like a discrete power off only button).

I'd like to have the same functions on the 15-2117 but from what I've read here it doesn't sound like the 15-2117 can do macro's on the device keys or learn to device keys. I do have a JP1 cable and IR program but again I'm new to this.

Can this be done? If so, would I have to learn the original remote device button to another button on the 15-2117, then move it over to the specific device button? Would that work?

Sorry for the long winded explanation. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Ed

usblipitor · Joined: 10 Oct 2003 Posts: 516 Location: Greenbelt, MD

you can do all that you have described above by using the extender.

there is a remote, it might be the 15-2116/7, that lets you put macros on the device keys without an extender. It might be the OFA8910. I can't recall. (I searched and couldnt find the reference, but it was by The Robman if memory serves me correctly.) Even if it is your remote that can put macros on device keys, I would still advise you to use the extender.
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jamesgammel · Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2003 3:44 pm Post subject:

You should be able to do what you want, and then some, without an extender. First step is to learn all the signals for each of the "devices" (receiver, tuner, cd). Aux is just an input still leaving you in "audio" mode.

Jim

usblipitor · Joined: 10 Oct 2003 Posts: 516 Location: Greenbelt, MD

Ed,

Please read this. It is a truly fine design that is very similar (I think exactly) what you are trying to do.

Happy Chanukah,
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usblipitor · Joined: 10 Oct 2003 Posts: 516 Location: Greenbelt, MD

I found the reference I was looking for:

EdA · Joined: 20 Dec 2003 Posts: 10 Location: San Jose, CA

Thanks Jim and Steve. I'm not sure what an extender is but I'll read up...and it sounds like I might be able to get by without one? I'll have to get up to speed with this.

More questions on how I can get this accomplished will follow, I'm sure, once I've done some more digging.

Thanks,
Ed

EdA · Joined: 20 Dec 2003 Posts: 10 Location: San Jose, CA

So after more researching and reading other posts I couldn't find anything on learning to the device keys, without using an extender.

I learned the original remote's "tuner", "CD", and "aux" keys to the 15-2117's "play", "ff", "rew" keys under the TV device and it worked...but when I tried moving the learned keys over to the device keys with IR it didn't send out any signal. I did this by editting the learned key under the "learned tab" in IR...changing the "device" and "key" designations.

Does anybody know how to do this without an extender?

Thanks,
Ed

Capn Trips · Expert Joined: 03 Oct 2003 Posts: 3990

The Robman · Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2003 3:34 pm Post subject:

The 15-2117 is the one of the very few JP1 remotes that allows keymoves and macros on the device buttons, without an extender. You certainly won't be able to learn directly to the device buttons, but you might be able to learn to another button and then change the assigned button in IR. (I've never tried this, so you'll be the first)
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EdA · Joined: 20 Dec 2003 Posts: 10 Location: San Jose, CA

Rob,
thanks for the info. I tried doing just what you suggested, as I posted above. Is that the method you thought might work?

Capn Trips,
I was avoiding the extender because of laziness...I literally just learned how to use the JP1 and IR with the remote, and was trying to avoid having to learn another program like extender, and then try to apply it to my situation. I'm not exactly a computer programmer. Looks like I may have to go the extender route.

The saga continues...

Ed

Chuck_IV · Joined: 14 Dec 2003 Posts: 54 Location: Connecticut

The Robman · Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2003 6:12 pm Post subject:

EdA · Joined: 20 Dec 2003 Posts: 10 Location: San Jose, CA

Thanks Rob,
you said:
"...and use the displayed EFC info instead"

I think I know what you mean....under IR's learning tab, IR shows various codes and such for the learned commands. One of the columns is "EFC", and it displays various numbers under that heading. That's the "displayed EFC info" you are referring to?

If so, I'll post that info.

I really do appreciate everyones help and patience with my slow learning. This forum has been a huge help to me...Thank you.

Ed

EdA · Joined: 20 Dec 2003 Posts: 10 Location: San Jose, CA

Okay so here is what IR says under the "Learned Signals" tab:

The Robman · Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2003 9:56 pm Post subject:

OK, what that data tells you is this...

1) The protocol being used is RC5
2) The RC5 device code being used is 20
3) The OBC being used is 63

My files tell me that this corresponds to the CD/0157 setup code that's in the 15-2117, where 20 is the first device code entered. Therefore the correct EFC for this button is 018.

If you program a keymove using EFC 018 with setup coe CD/0157 you will replicate this learned signal.
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