JP1 Remotes

[ilopata1]

I have a DirecTV Satellite with D10 box. I have tried to upgrade my RS-2116 using the D10 upgrade at DirecTV_D10_SAT_1377_KM.txt using KeyMaster and IR. The upgrade loads to the remote, but does not control my D10. I then tried to use RM instead of KM. When I change the remote to RS-2116 after opening the upgrade file, I get a message that says: "The selected protocol 'Manual Settings' (01 62) is not compatible with the selected remote. This upgrade will NOT function correctly. Please choose a different protocol". I do not get any similar message with KM.

Two questions:

First, I understand that there may be 3 or 4 different manufacturers of the DirecTV D10. Any views as to whether the upgrade file specificied above supports them all? Could that be the source of my problem?

Second, is the message I am getting from RM accurate (i.e. I can not use this protocol with my remote)? If so, am I stuck, or is there a workaround?

Thanks for any assistance.

[johnsfine]

I'm not sure of the status of RM's support for Manual Settings, so I'm not sure whether that is an RM bug or a feature (in KM) that is not yet included in RM. But in any case the message from RM does not in any way indicate that the KM upgrade was attempting anything your remote can't do. At most it means that RM doesn't know how to change remote models for this upgrade (but KM does).

Rob's list of setup codes has four different device numbers inside DirecTV setup codes, so I expect there is a good chance that your DirecTV needs a different device number than the one in the upgrade you found.

Maybe you should learn a signal from the original remote and post a .ir file (to the diagnosis folder) containing that. Assuming Rob or Jon knows the internal structure of this IR protocol (it's one I don't know) they could then tell you which device number is encoded in the signal and how to change that upgrade.

[gfb107]

In this case that warning is not accurate. I'll look into why it is happening. If it were accurate, RM would display that warning every time you switch tabs, unless you change the protocol.
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[MaskedMan]

Check and see what remote address your receiver is set to, 1377 is #1, there are 4 remote addresses available. You might just need to get your receiver and remote on the same page, er address.
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[ilopata1]

Thanks for the tips. I seem to have made some progress, but certainly have some way to go yet. I tried using Setup code #1377 with Device set to 1, 2, 3 and 4 but to no avail.

I then looked at some of the signals that I had learned from the Directv remote and noticed it referred to device 220, so I plugged in 220 into Keymaster and tried again. Presto! We have communication and several keys work just fine.

But, there is still some very strange behavior. For example, CH+ changes channel just fine, but CH- sticks a bunch of commas and a 9 into the channel field and the satellite box turns to Channel 9 regardless of what channel I was on before.

Similarly the Power button on the remote actually changes channel down, but by what appears to be a random number of stations sometimes 6, sometimes 3, sometimes 2. I would say half the keys work just fine.

Any further ideas? I am lost!!

Thanks

Iain

[ilopata1]

I would post the files to the diagnosis area on Yahoo but it appears to be full.

[jon_armstrong]

There is a thread here that explains the protocol and the check nibble. If my decoding of the protocol is correct, the device number couldn't be 220 since it only uses four bits and if John Fine doesn't have the detail of the protocol then it's unlikely that it decodes accurately.

Having said all that, however what you entered manifested itself, it seems to work better and looking at the commands will give me some greater insight. The upgrades were the official upgrades of UEIC and it's possible that they interpreted the commands differently. Did you try uploading to the files here?
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[ilopata1]

Here are the files I think you would want to see. Let me know if you need more info. Thanks for you help. This community is great!!

http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=1265

[jon_armstrong]

In Setup Tab in KM in cell C12 "raw fixed data" you should enter only the value "D3" without the quites. The bottom nibble (3) may be control bits or may be ignored by the executor and should probably be left alone. The Top nibble is C for Sat 1 and D for Sat 2. Thus, the fixed data = D3 should be correct. I decoded your remote manually and the 4-bit device was hex value D.

Putting 220 into device 1 (with the raw fixed data as C3) caused KM to interpret the fixed data as DC C3 and that sets everything off by the bogus byte C3. But the first byte DC (where the bottom nibble C may not matter), got you to the correct device code .

Here are the protocol and device upgrade to test with the values set correctly.

Upgrade Code 0 = 7D 61 (SAT/1377) DirecTV D10 (KM v8.31)
62 00 BE FE FE D1 D3 11 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08
09 0D 0E 10 0F 25 26 29 21 22 23 24 2E 28 5B 30
31 33 34 32 35 13 47 48
End

Upgrade Protocol 0 = 01 62 (S3C8+) Custom Protocol for SAT/1377 DirecTV D10 (KM v8.31)
40 84 11 8B 15 00 01 2C 01 18 01 2C 02 44 02 58
01 18 02 58 02 44 0B B8 02 44 B0 0C 68 03 37 64
0B E6 0E 2C E6 0F 5D F6 01 55 8B 0C 37 62 09 E6
0E 43 E6 0F 8A F6 01 55 F6 FF 91 1C 22 F6 01 4C
38 03 F6 FF 7A 38 04 F6 FF 76 38 05 F6 FF 7A 1C
12 F6 01 64 37 60 07 C6 F8 29 04 F6 01 58 C6 F8
11 94 F6 01 58 76 0C 01 EB 06 C6 22 05 DC 20 0C
F6 01 0A 7B C6 AF 4C 04 8B 02 4C 02 90 C3 90 C3
08 C3 56 C0 03 86 04 C0 06 C1 12 F6 01 4C 4A EC
AF C6 08 01 03 C6 0A 05 07 B0 C0 B0 C2 38 04 48
C3 56 C4 03 87 50 08 02 24 5A FC E0 C3 E0 C3 0E
37 04 EC F0 C2 29 05 AF
End
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[ilopata1]

Fantastic! That fixed it. Thank you! We are all happy at our house

Can you point me to the materials I could have read to diagnose the problem and come up with the solution myself? I havent seen anything yet that I think would have pointed me to this solution.

Iain

[jon_armstrong]

Other than the thread that I linked earlier, there isn't much info that would help you understand this case. It's a very new receiver and frankly the tools haven't caught up with it.

It is a somewhat complex protocol, so even descriptions of the typical IR protocols wouldn't generally include the basic encoding scheme for this. I think it's fair to say that the OFA group is usually far more checked out about how IR protocols work since the leverage in a JP1/OFA remote comes from not having to rely on learned commands. However, to do so, you must understand exactly how the IR protocol works.

Also, the OFA remotes are remarkably good learning devices and in the raw mode, commands can be read directly in IR and the on and off times of the IR signal are in uSec. So you can learn a command, save that little file in IR, and I can read it and see exactly what you recorded. AFAIK, the only other remotes that can do something like that are in the Philips Pronto series that cost ~ $100 to $600 more than the OFA remotes.

So the thread linked above is probably the most comprehensive explanation available outside of the people who designed the protocol.
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[shkhzrd]

I'm dealing with exactly the same situation but have had no luck getting the 15-2116 to control any functions on the D10. I copied the device and protocol upgrade data into IR, saved the file, opened it and uploaded the new configuration into the remote. All went well but I still could not operate any functions on the D10. It seems to have worked for ilopata1. I am still new to JP1 so I probably missed a step or two...or three. Is there a step by step procedure I should follow to get this to work for me? This D10 situation is maddening.

Thanks in advance,

Aaron

[shkhzrd]

I'm dealing with exactly the same situation but have had no luck getting the 15-2116 to control any functions on the D10. I copied the device and protocol upgrade data into IR, saved the file, opened it and uploaded the new configuration into the remote. All went well but I still could not operate any functions on the D10. It seems to have worked for ilopata1. I am still new to JP1 so I probably missed a step or two...or three. Is there a step by step procedure I should follow to get this to work for me? This D10 situation is maddening.

Thanks in advance,

Aaron

[gfb107]

Upload a copy of you IR file to the Diagnosis Area so we can see what you did. Don't forget to come back and post a link to the file you uploaded.
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[shkhzrd]

Here is the URL to the .ir file concerning the D10 problem I am having.

http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=1267

Thanks!