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abcdpxy
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Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 10:50 pm Post subject: beosound 9000 cd/tuner |
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1. Device: beosound 9000 cd/tuner
2. Type of device: cd/tuner
3. Year: 2006
4. JP1/UEI Remote model: urc-8910b00
5. Do you have a JP1 cable? YES
6. Still have original remote? NO
7. Checked the file section? YES
8. Checked Pronto file section (at R/C)? YES
9. Partially working setup code? NO
10. Learning remote question?NO
I made updrade with success (code 0799) but not working at my beosound9000 cd/tuner.
I found some ccf/pcf file for beosund9000cd/tuner in( remotecentral.com)
I don't know how to convert .
beocenter 9000 (beo4)upgrade file
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=72
my uploaded file
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=8855 |
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3FG Expert
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Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 2:48 am Post subject: |
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The OP and I have been discussing his situation at RemoteCentral, and I suggested he post here.
Note that he used an upgrade from here for a BeoCenter 9000, which is supposed to have been derived from a BEO4 remote. He actually owns a BeoSound 9000, which he says also uses a BEO4 remote.
RC has CCF files (Pronto File Section) and also Pronto Hex in the Features Section, but IR Tool isn't able to decode these.
Discussion of B&O protocol from 2006 which discusses and seems to suceed in getting a B&O TV 6000 to work.
I've read in his IR file, and imported it into RM, and compared that to the original upgrade. PID, Fixed data and Hex data seem to match.
Perhaps the BEO4 remote sends different signals depending on the B&O component type, and BeoCenter 9000 is different to BeoSound 9000. |
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Kevin Timmerman Expert
Joined: 09 Jan 2007 Posts: 142 Location: West Michigan |
Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 3:59 am Post subject: |
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3FG wrote: | Perhaps the BEO4 remote sends different signals depending on the B&O component type |
It does. The audio and video code sets are most common. There are also VCR, lighting and a few others.
Quote: | , and BeoCenter 9000 is different to BeoSound 9000. |
The RADIO and CD codes (audio code set) should be the same for both. The BeoSound 9000 does not have cassette, the BeoCenter 9000 did.
Here are some of my notes on the B & O protocol...
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The B&O protocol has 5 periods that are all a multiple of 3125 uS. IR uses a fixed 200 uS on duration. Wired MCL (Master Control Link) uses an on duration of half the period.
A code begins with two T1 one bits to set AGC and a start bit, it ends with a stop bit. Repeated codes repeat the entire code including the start and stop bits.
Consecutive 0 or 1 bits are not allowed! The 'same as last' code must be used for repeated 0 or 1 data bits.
For example the code 1010111000011 would be sent as:
T1 T1 T5 T3 T1 T3 T1 T3 T2 T2 T1 T2 T2 T2 T3 T2 T4
AGC St 1 0 1 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 1 Sp
T1 0 3125 uS
T2 Same as last 6250 uS
T3 1 9375 uS
T4 Stop 12500 uS
T5 Start 15625 uS
The carrier frequency for IR is exactly 455 kHZ. The B&O IR receivers are sensitive and *very* selective. They use 455 kHz ceramic filters (same as an AM radio) to achive high selectivity. It is important to have a precise carrier frequency for maximum range. B&O remotes all use a crystal that is a multiple of 455 kHz (3.64 MHz for example) or a 455 kHz resonator.
All unidirectional codes have 17 (mostly) or 20 (very few) data bits. Bidirectional codes are longer and have many different lengths. This document describes unidirectional codes only. Most B&O equipment from circa 1985 to present will respond to 455 kHz unidirectional codes.
Each code has a single link bit, 8 or 11 device code bits, and 8 key code bits.
17 (11h) bits: l dddd dddd kkkk kkkk
20 (14h) bits: lddd dddd dddd kkkk kkkk
When one of the device selection keys is pressed (Radio, TV, etc...) the device code is changed for the general purpose keys.
For example selecting the RADIO will send 11:00181. Then VOL Up will send 11:00160. (length:code in hex)
If the TV is then selected, code 11:00080 will be sent and VOL Up will now send 11:00060.
The Volume keys will always use device code 000 or 001, the other general purpose keys will used the exact set device code.
For example selcting V.TAPE will cause the volume keys to use device code 000, but the other keys will use device code 005.
Device Codes (only)
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11:000 Video
11:001 Audio
11:005 V.TAPE
11:00F All
11:01B Light
11:01D SP.DEMO
11:01E Link OPTION
11:100 Link Video
11:101 Link Audio
11:105 Link V.TAPE
11:11B Link Light
14:129 V.TAPE2
14:929 Link V.TAPE2
Device selection codes
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11:000 80 TV
11:000 82 AUX2, V.AUX
11:000 86 DVD, CDV
11:000 87 CAMCORD, CAMERA
11:000 88 TEXT
11:000 8A SATELLITE, SAT, DTV
11:000 8B PC
11:000 8D DOORCAM
11:001 81 RADIO
11:001 83 AUX, A.AUX
11:001 91 TAPE1, A.TAPE, A.MEM
11:001 92 CD
11:001 93 PHONO, N.RADIO
11:001 94 TAPE2, A.TAPE2, N.MUSIC
11:001 97 CD2
11:005 85 V.TAPE, V.MEM
11:01B 9B LIGHT
11:01D 89 SP.DEMO
11:100 80 LINK + TV
11:100 82 L-V.AUX
11:100 86 L-CDV
11:100 8A LINK + SAT
11:100 BF LINK-AV
11:101 81 LINK + RADIO
11:101 91 LINK + A.TAPE
11:101 92 LINK + CD
11:101 93 L-PHONO
11:101 94 L-A.TP2
11:101 97 L-CD2
11:105 85 LINK + V.TAPE
11:11B 9B LINK + LIGHT
14:129 85 V.TAPE2. DVD2
14:929 85 L-V.TP2
Most keys do not repeat. The POWER key will repeat once (code sent twice). The Volume Up/Down keys repeat with the same code (Y). A few other keys will send a code once when pressed (D), and then repeat with an other code while held down (H).
KEY CODES:
Hex Dec Rpt Key
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00 0 - 0
01 1 - 1
02 2 - 2
03 3 - 3
04 4 - 4
05 5 - 5
06 6 - 6
07 7 - 7
08 8 - 8
09 9 - 9
0A 10 - CLEAR
0B 11 - STORE
0C 12 Y(1) (Red Dot), POWER, System Off
0D 13 - MUTE
0E 14 - RESET, INDEX
1E 30 D STEP (R), Up
1F 31 D STEP (L), Down
20 32 - GO TO, TUNE, COUNTER, SETUP, TRACK, PAGE
28 40 - CLOCK
2A 42 - FORMAT
32 50 D <<, Left
33 51 - RETURN, SUBCODE
34 52 D >>, Right
35 53 - PLAY, LAMP, REVEAL
35 53 D GO
36 54 - STOP
37 55 - RECORD, UPDATE
3F 63 - SELECT
44 68 - SPEAKER, SOUND
45 69 - PICTURE
46 70 - TURN, SOUND, MONO
48 72 - LOUDNSS
4D 77 - BASS
4E 78 - TREBLE
4F 79 - BALANCE
58 88 - LIST (Enter and EXIT)
5C 92 - MENU
60 96 Y ^ (Vol Up)
64 100 Y v (Vol Dn)
70 112 H <<, Left
71 113 H >>, Right
72 114 H STEP (R), Up
73 115 H STEP (L), Down
75 117 H GO
76 118 H Green
77 119 H Yellow
78 120 H Blue
79 121 H Red
7F 127 - EXIT
80 128 - TV
81 129 - RADIO
82 130 - AUX2, V.AUX
83 131 - AUX, A.AUX
85 133 - V.TAPE
86 134 - DVD, CDV
87 135 - CAMCORD
88 136 - TEXT
89 137 - SP.DEMO
8A 138 - SATELLITE, SAT
8B 139 - PC
8D 141 - DOORCAM
91 145 - TAPE1, A.TAPE
92 146 - CD
93 147 - PHONO
94 148 - TAPE2, A.TAPE2
97 151 - CD2
9B 155 - LIGHT
BF 191 - AV
C0 192 - SHIFT 0, EDIT
C1 193 - SHIFT 1, RANDOM
C2 194 - SHIFT 2
C3 195 - SHIFT 3, REPEAT
C4 196 - SHIFT 4
C5 197 - SHIFT 5
C6 198 - SHIFT 6
C7 199 - SHIFT 7
C8 200 - SHIFT 8, TRACKNG, LARGE
C9 201 - SHIFT 9, MIX
D4 212 D Yellow
D5 213 D Green
D8 216 D Blue
D9 217 D Red
E9 233 - OPTION 0
EA 234 - OPTION 1
EB 235 - OPTION 2
EC 236 - OPTION 3
ED 237 - OPTION 4
EE 238 - OPTION 5
EF 239 - OPTION 6
F0 240 - OPTION 7
F7 247 - STAND
FA 250 - PIP
FA 82 - P-V.AUX
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OPTION settings codes
Device code == 000 (Video), 001 (Audio) or 01E (Link) only!
Key code == E9 (0) to F0 (7)
Option 0 No IR reception
Option 1 Two IR-receivers in the same room
Option 2 One IR receiver in the main room
Option 4 Link room product connected to one or two main room products in the same room
Option 5 Two IR receivers in the same room link
Option 6 One IR eye in the link room
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Kevin Timmerman Expert
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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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To convert from B&O code to JP1 code...
Device codes ending with 0 bit: jp1 = k ^ (k >> 1)
Device codes ending with 1 bit: jp1 = (k ^ (k >> 1)) ^ 0x80
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B&O JP1 Key
00 00 80 0
01 01 81 1
02 03 83 2
03 02 82 3
04 06 86 4
05 07 87 5
06 05 85 6
07 04 84 7
08 0C 8C 8
09 0D 8D 9
0A 0F 8F CLEAR
0B 0E 8E STORE
0C 0A 8A (Red Dot)
0C 0A 8A POWER
0C 0A 8A System Off
0D 0B 8B MUTE
0E 09 89 RESET
0E 09 89 INDEX
1E 11 91 STEP (R)
1E 11 91 Up
1F 10 90 STEP (L)
1F 10 90 Down
20 30 B0 GO TO
20 30 B0 TUNE
20 30 B0 COUNTER
20 30 B0 SETUP
20 30 B0 TRACK
20 30 B0 PAGE
28 3C BC CLOCK
2A 3F BF FORMAT
32 2B AB <<
32 2B AB Left
33 2A AA RETURN
33 2A AA SUBCODE
34 2E AE >>
34 2E AE Right
35 2F AF GO
35 2F AF PLAY
35 2F AF LAMP
35 2F AF REVEAL
36 2D AD STOP
37 2C AC RECORD
37 2C AC UPDATE
3F 20 A0 SELECT
44 66 E6 SPEAKER
44 66 E6 SOUND
45 67 E7 PICTURE
46 65 E5 TURN
46 65 E5 SOUND
46 65 E5 MONO
48 6C EC LOUDNSS
4D 6B EB BASS
4E 69 E9 TREBLE
4F 68 E8 BALANCE
58 74 F4 LIST
5C 72 F2 MENU
60 50 D0 ^
60 50 D0 (Vol Up)
64 56 D6 v
64 56 D6 (Vol Dn)
7F 40 C0 EXIT
80 C0 40 TV
80 C0 40 LINK + TV
81 C1 41 RADIO
81 C1 41 LINK + RADIO
82 C3 43 AUX2
82 C3 43 V.AUX
82 C3 43 L-V.AUX
83 C2 42 AUX
83 C2 42 A.AUX
85 C7 47 V.TAPE
85 C7 47 LINK + V.TAPE
85 C7 47 V.TAPE2
85 C7 47 L-V.TP2
86 C5 45 CDV
86 C5 45 L-CDV
86 C5 45 DVD
87 C4 44 CAMCORD
88 CC 4C TEXT
89 CD 4D SP.DEMO
8A CF 4F SATELLITE
8A CF 4F SAT
8A CF 4F LINK + SAT
8B CE 4E PC
8D CB 4B DOORCAM
91 D9 59 TAPE1
91 D9 59 A.TAPE
91 D9 59 LINK + A.TAPE
92 DB 5B CD
92 DB 5B LINK + CD
93 DA 5A PHONO
93 DA 5A L-PHONO
94 DE 5E TAPE2
94 DE 5E A.TAPE2
94 DE 5E L-A.TP2
97 DC 5C CD2
97 DC 5C L-CD2
9B D6 56 LIGHT
9B D6 56 LINK + LIGHT
BF E0 60 AV
C0 A0 20 SHIFT 0
C0 A0 20 EDIT
C1 A1 21 SHIFT 1
C1 A1 21 RANDOM
C2 A3 23 SHIFT 2
C3 A2 22 SHIFT 3
C3 A2 22 REPEAT
C4 A6 26 SHIFT 4
C5 A7 27 SHIFT 5
C6 A5 25 SHIFT 6
C7 A4 24 SHIFT 7
C8 AC 2C SHIFT 8
C8 AC 2C TRACKNG
C8 AC 2C LARGE
C9 AD 2D SHIFT 9
C9 AD 2D MIX
D4 BE 3E Yellow
D5 BF 3F Green
D8 B4 34 Blue
D9 B5 35 Red
E9 9D 1D OPTION 0
EA 9F 1F OPTION 1
EB 9E 1E OPTION 2
EC 9A 1A OPTION 3
ED 9B 1B OPTION 4
EE 99 19 OPTION 5
EF 98 18 OPTION 6
F0 88 08 OPTION 7
F7 8C 0C STAND
FA 87 07 PIP
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The Robman Site Owner
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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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Kevin Timmerman wrote: | To convert from B&O code to JP1 code...
jp1 = 0x80 ^ (k ^ (k >> 1)) |
What do the ^ and >> symbols mean?
Looking at the executor, the top 3 bits appear to be used as a control, I'm guessing to control whether the button repeats or not, but I can't quite see what each individual bit is used for. _________________ Rob
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Kevin Timmerman Expert
Joined: 09 Jan 2007 Posts: 142 Location: West Michigan |
Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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To convert JP1 to B&O...
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unsigned x = 0; // 0xFF for device codes ending with 1 bit
if(jp1 & 0x80) x ^= 0xFF;
if(jp1 & 0x40) x ^= 0x7F;
if(jp1 & 0x20) x ^= 0x3F;
if(jp1 & 0x10) x ^= 0x1F;
if(jp1 & 0x08) x ^= 0x0F;
if(jp1 & 0x04) x ^= 0x07;
if(jp1 & 0x02) x ^= 0x03;
if(jp1 & 0x01) x ^= 0x01;
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JP1 B&O Key
00 80 00 0
01 81 01 1
02 82 03 3
03 83 02 2
04 84 07 7
05 85 06 6
06 86 04 4
07 87 05 5
09 89 0E RESET
09 89 0E INDEX
0A 8A 0C (Red Dot)
0A 8A 0C POWER
0A 8A 0C System Off
0B 8B 0D MUTE
0C 8C 08 8
0D 8D 09 9
0E 8E 0B STORE
0F 8F 0A CLEAR
10 90 1F STEP (L)
10 90 1F Down
11 91 1E STEP (R)
11 91 1E Up
20 A0 3F SELECT
2A AA 33 RETURN
2A AA 33 SUBCODE
2B AB 32 <<
2B AB 32 Left
2C AC 37 RECORD
2C AC 37 UPDATE
2D AD 36 STOP
2E AE 34 >>
2E AE 34 Right
2F AF 35 GO
2F AF 35 PLAY
2F AF 35 LAMP
2F AF 35 REVEAL
30 B0 20 GO TO
30 B0 20 TUNE
30 B0 20 COUNTER
30 B0 20 SETUP
30 B0 20 TRACK
30 B0 20 PAGE
3C BC 28 CLOCK
3F BF 2A FORMAT
40 C0 7F EXIT
50 D0 60 ^
50 D0 60 (Vol Up)
56 D6 64 v
56 D6 64 (Vol Dn)
65 E5 46 TURN
65 E5 46 SOUND
65 E5 46 MONO
66 E6 44 SPEAKER
66 E6 44 SOUND
67 E7 45 PICTURE
68 E8 4F BALANCE
69 E9 4E TREBLE
6B EB 4D BASS
6C EC 48 LOUDNSS
72 F2 5C MENU
74 F4 58 LIST
87 07 FA PIP
88 08 F0 OPTION 7
8C 0C F7 STAND
98 18 EF OPTION 6
99 19 EE OPTION 5
9A 1A EC OPTION 3
9B 1B ED OPTION 4
9D 1D E9 OPTION 0
9E 1E EB OPTION 2
9F 1F EA OPTION 1
A0 20 C0 SHIFT 0
A0 20 C0 EDIT
A1 21 C1 SHIFT 1
A1 21 C1 RANDOM
A2 22 C3 SHIFT 3
A2 22 C3 REPEAT
A3 23 C2 SHIFT 2
A4 24 C7 SHIFT 7
A5 25 C6 SHIFT 6
A6 26 C4 SHIFT 4
A7 27 C5 SHIFT 5
AC 2C C8 SHIFT 8
AC 2C C8 TRACKNG
AC 2C C8 LARGE
AD 2D C9 SHIFT 9
AD 2D C9 MIX
B4 34 D8 Blue
B5 35 D9 Red
BE 3E D4 Yellow
BF 3F D5 Green
C0 40 80 TV
C0 40 80 LINK + TV
C1 41 81 RADIO
C1 41 81 LINK + RADIO
C2 42 83 AUX
C2 42 83 A.AUX
C3 43 82 AUX2
C3 43 82 V.AUX
C3 43 82 L-V.AUX
C4 44 87 CAMCORD
C5 45 86 CDV
C5 45 86 L-CDV
C5 45 86 DVD
C7 47 85 V.TAPE
C7 47 85 LINK + V.TAPE
C7 47 85 V.TAPE2
C7 47 85 L-V.TP2
CB 4B 8D DOORCAM
CC 4C 88 TEXT
CD 4D 89 SP.DEMO
CE 4E 8B PC
CF 4F 8A SATELLITE
CF 4F 8A SAT
CF 4F 8A LINK + SAT
D6 56 9B LIGHT
D6 56 9B LINK + LIGHT
D9 59 91 TAPE1
D9 59 91 A.TAPE
D9 59 91 LINK + A.TAPE
DA 5A 93 PHONO
DA 5A 93 L-PHONO
DB 5B 92 CD
DB 5B 92 LINK + CD
DC 5C 97 CD2
DC 5C 97 L-CD2
DE 5E 94 TAPE2
DE 5E 94 A.TAPE2
DE 5E 94 L-A.TP2
E0 60 BF AV
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The Robman Site Owner
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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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Did you see my post, which was probably done while you were typing your last post? _________________ Rob
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Kevin Timmerman Expert
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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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The Robman wrote: |
What do the ^ and >> symbols mean?
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^ is XOR
>> is right shift
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Looking at the executor, the top 3 bits appear to be used as a control, I'm guessing to control whether the button repeats or not, but I can't quite see what each individual bit is used for. |
Looks like repeat control. It is XOR with fixed2, so the upper 3 bits of fixed2 determine the outcome.
They use '1' to toggle between sending a 0 (T1) or 1 (T3), and 0 to send 'same as last' (T2)
They don't have a clue about how the B&O protocol works.
A proper executor would be a good project for someone. |
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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | ^ is XOR
>> is left shift |
I think you mean right shift, where the lsb is discarded, and a new msb bit of 0 is prepended. (That is, it is not a rotate function.)
Regarding Tuner/0799.txt, it looks to me like this file is corrupted, since the digit keys 7-9 all have OBC =255, and the digit keys generally don't seem to have reasonable Hex data.
If the user want to use the tuner, does he need to do the equivalent of pressing the RADIO button (00181) before sending e.g. volume commands? Otherwise he may be sending Vol+ as 00160, when the component is expecting 00060, because it is in TV mode? |
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Kevin Timmerman Expert
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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, right shift. Stupid typo. |
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Kevin Timmerman Expert
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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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I think the hex JP1 codes I had posted above would have to be XOR 0x80 for an some devices because the device code would end in 0 rather than 1.
Posts have been updated with key XOR 0x80. |
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Kevin Timmerman Expert
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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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3FG wrote: | Regarding Tuner/0799.txt, it looks to me like this file is corrupted, since the digit keys 7-9 all have OBC =255, and the digit keys generally don't seem to have reasonable Hex data.
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The 0 to 6 keys select one of seven audio sources. The number keys are assigned to TUNER-0 to TUNER-9. Looks OK.
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If the user want to use the tuner, does he need to do the equivalent of pressing the RADIO button (00181) before sending e.g. volume commands? Otherwise he may be sending Vol+ as 00160, when the component is expecting 00060, because it is in TV mode? |
A receiver will always respond to 00160/00164. A TV will always respond to 00060/00064. |
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Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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abcdpxy,
So with all this information, we can see that the BeoSound Pronto Hex data available at Remote Central (Features Section) are in fact the same IR signals as are sent by the BeoCenter 9000 upgrade which is available here. I've have loaded the BeoCenter upgrade into one remote, and taught that remote's signals to a second remote, and then used IR.exe and IRscope.exe to analyze the signals. They are the same as the signals which are embedded in the Pronto Hex codes at Remote Central. So, the BeoCenter 9000 upgrade should work.
I don't see anything wrong with the IR file that you posted here, but perhaps there is some problem. Why don't you try redoing the work again, just in case something didn't work right. Or, perhaps you could load an upgrade for some other component that you have, for which the IR protocol is more typical. For example, try uploading an upgrade for your HK gear, just to make sure that the procedure is working correctly. |
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The Robman Site Owner
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Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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Most of the CCF files at Remote Central use "7000" type signals, but this file uses the raw format "0000" signals, so you can see what's in there.
I've started a spreadsheet that compiles all of the code data that Kevin posted, along with the binary data that I got from the Pronto CCF file.
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=8875 _________________ Rob
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