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aclinml
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 Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 8:20 am Post subject: Help with new Mitsubishi TV WD-73C9 - unique protocol? |
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1. Device: Mits WD-73C9 DLP TV - 2009 model
2. Type of device: TV
3. Year: 2009
4. JP1/UEI Remote model: URC-7800 Cinema 7 with Extender 5
5. Do you have a JP1 cable? Yes
6. Still have original remote? Yes
7. Checked the file section? Yes
8. Checked Pronto file section (at R/C)?
9. Partially working setup code? Yes
10. Learning remote question? Yes
OK, got a new Mitsubishi TV and I'm having problems with some of the EFCs. I looked in the download section for an upgrade for this TV, but the two latest entries were from 2007. The were a KM file - Mitsubishi Master File, and a RM file - Mitsubishi WS-xx732. Most of the commands (EFCs) work fine, but I was having problems using the 'arrow' buttons. So, I configured my remote for 'Learning' and learned in the four arrow buttons. I was expecting one EFC for each button, but there were actually four EFCs for each button. I took a screen print from IR showing the 'UP' and 'Down' learned signals from the original remote....they are in the diagnosis area here....
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=7637
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=7638
From learning in a few other buttons, it appears that all buttons have the exact same last two commands in them, the EFC 218. The funny thing is, most of the single byte EFCs that the RM upgrade uses, work fine! Only the Arrow buttons and Volume button have issues. Using the 2007 upgrade, when I push the UP button, it moves UP two spaces! When I hit the Left button, it moves two spaces!
I'm not sure what I'm dealing with here, but any help would be appreciated.
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vickyg2003
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| Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 10:07 am Post subject: |
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Hi Mike, You are the third person in the last 24 hours to post pictures instead of IR files. It is so much more difficult to work from pictures than to work from actual files. If you upload the IR file with the good learn, as well as the IR file that's shooting doubles I can get a much better of what is happening here.
Also post links to the files you are using for your EFC's.
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The Robman
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| Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 10:38 am Post subject: |
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Also, can you confirm that the learned signals actually work.
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aclinml
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The Robman
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| Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 5:23 pm Post subject: Re: Here you go...... |
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I don't see anything learned to the up,down,left,right buttons, did you learn these to the 4 "learning" buttons instead? If so, these are unusual buttons, each has 2 parts where the first part is OBC 65, 73, 101 or 109 (which are the normal OBCs for the arrow buttons) and the second part is OBC 39.
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aclinml
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| Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 9:03 pm Post subject: Sorry again |
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Sorry again, Rob. Yes they were learned into the 1L, 2L, 3L, and 4L. (up,down,left,right). And yes, they all have the same configuration. The first two commands appear to be the correct EFC, then the last two commands always has the same EFC, 218. I learned most of the other buttons into the remote. You can see some use 4 bytes, and some only use 2. Here is the IR file....
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=7647
This is what I'm dealing with... |
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vickyg2003
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| Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 12:51 am Post subject: |
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Mike,
Try adding this protocol and see if things work better. It doesn't address the weird learns, but it does cut down on the number of repeats that are sent.
Upgrade protocol 0 = 00 14 (S3C8) PB v4.01
47 A9 11 8B 14 C5 52 08 08 00 96 01 B8 00 96 04
1A 68 E2 FF FF FF FF FF 02 8D 01 33
End
Also, your IR file looks to be corrupt, and you probably should rebuild your file from the start.
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aclinml
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:08 am Post subject: Works!! |
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OK, Vicky. Your Protocol code fixed my problem. I don't know the internals of how all this stuff works, but can you explain to me (in lay terms) how this fixed it? Also, you mentioned my IR code appeared to be corrupted. I have been running this Extender 5 code for many months without any problems. What is it that you saw that makes you think it is corrupted?
Thanks for your help!!!!
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vickyg2003
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:46 am Post subject: Re: Works!! |
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| aclinml wrote: | | OK, Vicky. Your Protocol code fixed my problem. I don't know the internals of how all this stuff works, but can you explain to me (in lay terms) how this fixed it? |
The ONLY way I can explain this is in lay terms. 
The Mitsubishi executor in our 7800's sends minium of 3 frames of data, and all keys repeat when held.
Since your learned keys have 2 frames of one signal, 2 frames of another and work fine, it would seem that the 3rd frame of data starts the repeating. So I made a replacement executor that had a minimum of 2 frames, and only sends more repeat frames on a few special keys when held. Those keys that keep repeating are Vol+-, Ch+- Rew and FFwd.
When your remote was trying to locate the executor for the setup code you were using, it encountered the replacement executor in the upgrade area, and used that executor instead of the one built into ROM.
I used Mike's Protocol Builder spreadsheet to tweak the exectuor. I used my IR Widget to view the output from the remote to make sure the exector I wrote sends the correct signal.
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Also, you mentioned my IR code appeared to be corrupted. I have been running this Extender 5 code for many months without any problems. What is it that you saw that makes you think it is corrupted?
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Extender 5 has different keymapping than earlier extenders. I remapped the keys so that I could add x-shift functions to this extender. This remapping screws up the extinstall when upgrading from previous extenders. If you look at your keymoves and macros you'll see that they have a lot of keys that are not available from the dropdown. I'd recommend reworking your macros and keymoves to use keys that have been defined in the RDF. If you still have your old ir file from the previous extender, print out the summary sheet, and then rework the macros and special keys.
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aclinml
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 2:16 pm Post subject: Re: Works!! |
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| vickyg2003 wrote: | | If you look at your keymoves and macros you'll see that they have a lot of keys that are not available from the dropdown. |
Not sure what you mean about "lots of keys" not available. I do use Xshift keys a lot in keymoves and macros.... |
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ElizabethD
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I must have forgotten how to do thins, but I don't see problems.
What file? I just looked at "Mike_first_Mitsubishi.ir"
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=download&file_id=7641
and don't see the keys from ext2 undecoded or in wrong places. I crosschecked few keymoves, macros, special protocols and the comments in Mike's file. Things look consistent to me.
There's one keymove tv/4L referencing setup code 0150 for the SQL button. Possibly ok, but maybe not, maybe it should refer to setup 1150. 0150 might be refering to a builtin device which I saw in the file with learned codes.
Vicky, cool protocol fix 
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vickyg2003
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 2:47 pm Post subject: Re: Works!! |
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| aclinml wrote: | | vickyg2003 wrote: | | If you look at your keymoves and macros you'll see that they have a lot of keys that are not available from the dropdown. |
Not sure what you mean about "lots of keys" not available. I do use Xshift keys a lot in keymoves and macros.... |
Opps. The problem was on my end. I was looking at the wrong RDF's. It made all the keys be bad. What surprises me is that IR wouldn't say something about the RDF not being found.
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aclinml
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 4:33 pm Post subject: Thanks! |
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No problem! Thanks for all your help Vicky. And Liz, thanks for pointing out a little clean-up on my end. The SQV button was something that was on my old Mits TV. Just overlooked cleaning it up. You girls are the best!
Mike
P.S. Vicky (or Rob), I've got a few more EFCs to plug in and test, but I would like to put the RM code I'm using up to the UPGRADE File section. How do I go about getting Vickie's protocol change put into the RM upgrade I am using? |
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vickyg2003
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| Quote: | | P.S. Vicky (or Rob), I've got a few more EFCs to plug in and test, but I would like to put the RM code I'm using up to the UPGRADE File section. How do I go about getting Vicky's protocol change put into the RM upgrade I am using? |
It's hard to describe. Your supposed to suck the protocol in from the clipboard and click on a few check boxes, but this one didn't want to import, so I did it for you.
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=7655
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