JP1 Remotes

I've got another piece of new kit... some of the functions are on code 0176 on my URC-7562.. but not the ones I want to use...

Is there a windows program I can record my Yamaha remote with so I can make an upgrade for my OFA remote?

And yes, this time I've scoured the usual places to find upgrade codes.. none of them seem to have the same key names as mine... plus I'd rather do a file from scratch... it can't harm if the database is improved can it?

Can anyone help or point me in the right direction? Thanks in advance.

I guess that means you've looked at http://www.hifi-remote.com/codes2/amp_0176.shtml

juski wrote:Is there a windows program I can record my Yamaha remote with so I can make an upgrade for my OFA remote?

Yeah. It's called IR.exe when used in conjunction with a learning JP1-enabled remote.

juski wrote:And yes, this time I've scoured the usual places to find upgrade codes.. none of them seem to have the same key names as mine... plus I'd rather do a file from scratch... it can't harm if the database is improved can it?

Can anyone help or point me in the right direction? Thanks in advance.

So you've read THIS? and complied with the mandatory template included therein?....

Well, anyways, the link provided by gfb187 is a starting point. As far as learning your OEM remote, if you haven't a learning remote - which I understand the 7562 is not - there are labor-intensive methods of capturing and analysing IR signals with which I am UNfamiliar, or just get a cheapo JP1 learner and use it. You get the added benefit of the learned signal being decoded into JP1-usable form, instead of a series of pulses recorded on your PC hard drive that you subsequently have to decode.

Was there any need for all the sarcasm?

I thought this was a 'don't be afraid to ask daft questions' kind of forum. I've always overlooked the 'key magic' feature of the OFA remotes (just as I have the macro function), which is why I didn't think to look into that area of the site. Sometimes I think I'd rather re-invent the wheel

Ah well.

Since then I tried the 0176 Amplifier codes which have let me get a little bit further (thankyou) - but some of the codes are still a little generic and I'm still missing some keys I'd like.

I can teach my OFA up to 5 keys per device, so it'd presumably be quite a simple (if long-winded) process to record all the Yamaha keys into my OFA, then eventually into RM via IR.exe.

Thanks a lot.

Your remote can learn about 22 keys at a time, to just about any key (which may not be what the manual says). Once if fills up, you download to your remote with IR, save to a file, delete all the learned signals and learn a bunch more. I can't imagine it would take more than 3 or 4 cycles to learn all the keys from the original remote. Also, you don't have to learn the keys that are already known from setup code AUD/0176.

juski wrote:I've always overlooked the 'key magic' feature of the OFA remotes (just as I have the macro function), which is why I didn't think to look into that area of the site. Sometimes I think I'd rather re-invent the wheel

I can teach my OFA up to 5 keys per device, so it'd presumably be quite a simple (if long-winded) process to record all the Yamaha keys into my OFA, then eventually into RM via IR.exe.

As an example of the usefullness of reading the FAQ, I had no idea your remote was a learner until your last e-mail. Also, as you said

plus I'd rather do a file from scratch

Most of the folks here presume that means learning all of the signals you want, decoding them and building the upgrade you want.

For what it's worth, my experience suggests that it's a matter of a few minutes to learn all of the keys, and then to decode them in IR. Then you will have the precise matching of EFC/OBC to function name and can modify the 0176 file in KM or RM and upload it. I would estimate that the total amount of time it would take should be about an hour, maybe two.

Without a learner, then you have to embark on the search you have undertaken, but learning your own (in my humble opinion) is FAR more efficient.

You can probably learn about 20 buttons at a time, but there is no requirement to keep them learned. Just make sure you save your current IR configuration before you start, then reset your remote and learn away. Decode that batch, and clear the remote and learn the next batch.

I presume you don't have too many more than a few dozen buttons on the OEM remote you're trying to duplicate, and you could be done before the next guy gets up in the morning (US time) to respond.

juski wrote:Was there any need for all the sarcasm?

Believe me, that was nothing - but if it offended you, I apologize. No offense was intended. By the way, YOU put in the , not me.

juski wrote: I thought this was a 'don't be afraid to ask daft questions' kind of forum.

Right, but there is a presumption that folks will have read items that are strategically named Read This First, or the Number One Code Search FAQ, or other stuff of that ilk, and your post did not indicate (nor reflect) that you had.

I would further recommend Robman's link in the second post in this sticky post as useful reading.

juski wrote:I thought this was a 'don't be afraid to ask daft questions' kind of forum.

That's in the Beginners' section; once you move up to Code Search or other areas you're expected to use the template etc. You're asking people to take time out to help you so make it easy for them by helping yourself as much as possible first. Don't worry - it's a bit like the jump program in the Matrix (no-body makes the jump the first time).

Your remote (I have one too) can learn 20+ functions but best to limit it to just 20 (or less) at a time to avoid confusion. One strategy I have found useful is:

1] Plug in your JP1 cable
2] Fire up IR.EXE
3] Download from remote and save it (e.g. "7562 First Download 824_1106)
4] Go to the Learned Signals tab and choose Delete All
5] Upload to the remote (this will wipe out any learned signals that are stored in the EEPROM memory on the remote)
6] Start by learning power, menu, Num 0 through Num 9 to their appropriate buttons
7] Download into IR
8] Save this download under a new name
9] Delete the learned signals
10] Upload to remote to wipe out the learned signals
11] Repeat the cycle for the other keys.

It doesn't matter where any particular key gets learned to so long as you keep a note of what you're doing, do it a little at a time and save files as you go. Most of my learning errors have been in trying to learn every button at one stroke and forgetting which was which. Once you get the hang of it you can have IR and Keymap Master running simultaneously and type the OBCs straight into your upgrade as you go. Remember that you can always go back to a previous version provided that you have saved things as you go.

Next test your upgrade thoroughly.
Then save it in the Files area of this forum.
Then go back and look for any discrete codes (do a search of this forum for info regarding them) as a service to others.

The Yamaha website has lists of all of the functions that are available for most of their equipment. IIRC, their standard codes (the one that their remote has buttons for) are NEC1 dev 122, and their "extended" codes (including many discretes) are dev 126. If you search this forum, you may find a message that gives a link to a spreadsheet that will assist you in translating the Yamaha notation into EFCs or OBCs.

To try and make things easier, I have tried to assemble the answers to the template for him:

1. Device: Yamaha RX-V457
2. Type of device: Audio receiver
3. JP1 Remote model: URC-7562
4. JP1 user? Yes
5. Still have original remote? Yes
6. Checked the file section? No, or he would have tried these files
7. Checked Pronto file section (at R/C)? No, or he would have tried these files.
8. Partially working setup code? AMP/0176
9. Learning remote question? (answer not evident)

Right!

First of all thanks for pointing out what should have been blindingly obvious to me from the start...

Tonight I found a page on the Yamaha site listing all their codes. Some of them start with 7A (standard ones) and some start with 7E (the extended ones).

All the functions I figure I'll ever need to have close at hand are in the standard set, so I've taken an upgrade file from another yamaha receiver & checked the codes. A lot of them match up, so I've made my own substitutions where they didn't match the functions I'd like to have.

I'll give this file a go when I have time, then I'll see how I go on from there.

Thanks again folks

I just rummaged through my files and I found the master file of codes that Andrea Whitlock put together, so I have loaded it here...

https://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... le_id=2099