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KM Question - Same protocol - Multiple Devices
Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 2:55 pm
by tkilm1
I have an RCA Scenium HDTV (HDLP 50") whose remote control has device selection buttons (TV, SAT/CBL, DVD, VCR ...) that when pressed turn on the TV, select the correct input on the TV, and put the remote into the right mode. I learned these codes using IR5. They all have the same protocol RCA and OBC 58 but the "device" is different as shown at the bottom of the pasted info below. Since there is only room for one "main device code" in KM, do you have any suggestions on how I can handle this in KM, IR or any other program? I appreciate anyone's help on this.
-- Tom
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Mode Key Protocol Device OBC Hex EFC
TV 1 RCA 15 49 31 139
TV 2 RCA 15 50 32 163
TV 3 RCA 15 51 33 155
TV 4 RCA 15 52 34 115
TV 5 RCA 15 53 35 107
TV 6 RCA 15 54 36 131
TV 7 RCA 15 55 37 123
TV 8 RCA 15 56 38 211
TV 9 RCA 15 57 39 203
TV 0 RCA 15 48 30 147
TV Select RCA 15 244 F4 109
TV Left RCA 15 86 56 128
TV Right RCA 15 87 57 120
TV Up RCA 15 89 59 200
TV Down RCA 15 88 58 208
TV Mute RCA 15 63 3F 187
TV Last RCA 15 39 27 251
TV Guide RCA 15 26 1A 226
TV Menu RCA 15 8 08 082
TV Info RCA 15 60 3C 179
TV Select RCA 15 244 F4 109
TV input RCA 15 163 A3 023
TV format RCA 15 144 90 142
TV clear RCA 15 6 06 002
TV blue RCA 15 254 FE 189
TV green RCA 15 252 FC 173
TV PIP RCA 15 27 1B 218
TV Swap RCA 15 195 C3 020
TV Freeze RCA 15 12 0C 050
TV ch ctrl RCA 15 229 E5 229
TV skip RCA 15 83 53 152
TV vcr+ RCA 15 238 EE 061
TV VOL+ RCA 15 47 2F 059
TV VOL- RCA 15 46 2E 067
TV Ch+ RCA 15 45 2D 043
TV Ch- RCA 15 44 2C 051
TV antenna RCA 15 5 05 234
TV Power RCA 15 42 2A 099
TV Power On RCA 15 58 3a 227
TV Power Off RCA 15 59 3b 219
TV INPUT SAT/CBL RCA 7 58 3A 227
TV INPUT TV RCA 5 58 3A 227
TV INPUT DVD RCA 14 58 3A 227
TV INPUT VCR RCA 15 58 3A 227
TV INPUT AUX RCA 13 58 3A 227
TV INPUT AUDIO RCA 8 58 3A 227
Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 4:05 pm
by The Robman
To program this as one upgrade you would select the RCA Combo protocol in KM or RM. However, apart from the input selects, there only appear to be 2 buttons that use a different device code.
I always recommend programming the input selects as keymoves in the relevant mode. For example, rather than programming a button in TV mode that selects the DVD input (which means you have to remember which button it is), it's a better idea to program a button in DVD mode that selects the correct TV input. Then use this same button in all the other modes for those input.
If you do that for the inputs, that means you just have to create 2 keymoves for the 2 buttons that use different device codes (ie, VCR+ and BLUE)
Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 4:58 pm
by tkilm1
Thanks Rob
The RCA combo works!!! I am creating upgrades for all my devices in KM and up until now all the keymoves were a result of KM automatically mapping them. To do what you suggest i.e. use keymoves to program input selects for the device rather than the TV, is it easier to do this directly in KM, IR or to do it in the remote and then check the code using IR download?
Tom
Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 6:29 pm
by The Robman
Which is easier is up to you. If you build the upgrade using the combo protocol, it would probably be easier to map the keymoves in KM as it's a good way to keep a record of them.
However, I would recommend that you build the upgrade using the regular RCA protocol with device code 15, then program keymoves for all the input selects against the appropiate setup codes (see below), in IR.
The EFC for all of these is 227 (OBC 58):
RCA 5 = DVD/0522
RCA 7 = SAT/0392 or SAT/0566
RCA 8 = CD/0053
RCA 13 = VCR/0202
RCA 14 = VCR/0060
RCA 15 = TV/0047
I've never heard of RCA using a device code of 3, so if the BLUE and VCR+ functions really use device code 3, you could create a dummy upgrade using that device code and program those two buttons (if you need them) as keymoves against it, or you could just leave them as learned signals (but I would recommend that you verify that your decodes are correct for those two).
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 5:39 am
by tkilm1
Rob: Thanks for the advice on how to program the input selects. For future reference, how does one find the similar device codes for a given protocol or code that you listed for me. I tried looking thru devices4.xls and it only shows one at a time. There must be a more efficient way.
As you suggested, the device code 3 was a typo on my part; it was 15, consistent with all the others.
Not sure if I should post this as a seperate item but I found that the macro I programmed on my power key usingt KM/IR, not extenders, works fine as long as the remote is in any mode but My-System. When it is in My_Sytem mode, no signals are sent out. Is this a limitation of the RS 2116?
Tom
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 7:19 am
by Mark Pierson
IIRC, in the unextended 2116, the POWER button is not available under My System.
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 8:47 am
by The Robman
tkilm1 wrote:Rob: Thanks for the advice on how to program the input selects. For future reference, how does one find the similar device codes for a given protocol or code that you listed for me. I tried looking thru devices4.xls and it only shows one at a time. There must be a more efficient way.
This is one of those things that you basically need to ask us and we'll tell you. There are files that list all this info but we don't publish this sort of thing as it could be considered copyrighted material by UEI.
tkilm1 wrote:As you suggested, the device code 3 was a typo on my part; it was 15, consistent with all the others.
Cool. I just fixed your earlier post to reflect this (I also tidied up the table).
tkilm1 wrote:Not sure if I should post this as a seperate item but I found that the macro I programmed on my power key usingt KM/IR, not extenders, works fine as long as the remote is in any mode but My-System. When it is in My_Sytem mode, no signals are sent out. Is this a limitation of the RS 2116?
This should be a seperate thread as the answer will get buried in a thread like this and won't be of much use to the next person searching for it.
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 4:05 pm
by tkilm1
Thanks Rob and Mark for your expert advice and knowledge
Based on Rob's suggested alternatives from above for the"key moves", I am trying the KM direct method but have a question. From the documentation, my interpretation is that I should implement my input selectors by using the "external functions" method on the functions page instead of the "key moves" page. Is this correct?
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 7:22 pm
by Mark Pierson
tkilm1 wrote:I should implement my input selectors by using the "external functions" method on the functions page instead of the "key moves" page. Is this correct?
To do it in KM, that's correct. The inputs are "external" to the main upgrade device. So, to create a key move for the DVD input, you would create a function like "=DVD/0522 Input DVD" with an EFC of "227" and then assign it to the appropriate button on the Buttons sheet.
You can also assign that same function to any other valid device mode/button on the Key Moves sheet, but in my opinion, that goes beyond the scope of the KM upgrade and is better done (and documented) directly in IR.