JP1 Remotes

SO i've built some successful bin files for my slingbox to control my denon-avr4810ci using remotemaster. IF I use the denon-k only protocol I can get those codes to work. If I use the Denon Combo hack protocol I can get Denon codes to work.

Problem I have is my zone2 uses two different protocols for its IR. It uses both denon Device 2,12 and Denon-K 4.3 protocols.

Is there anyway I can make a multi protocol in REmote master that has both standard denon and Denon-K protocols? I see the denon combo but its for Denon and Sharp. I need Denon(Device 2,12) and Denon-K(Device4,3)

One of the ways this could be done is to write a protocol that combines the two. However the Denon and Denon-K are considerably different signals. The have a different frequency, different timings, very different rules.

I don't know much about the slingbox, but I think that there is a way to supplement the code with learning. I'm really unclear on the process.

what about device combiner?

As far as I know, a device combiner isn't available for the slingbox. Even if it was, it would only work for executors that use 3 digit efcs, so the device combiner is not even a solution for Denon-K for a jp1 remote.

As I said, there has been a lot of talk from Earl and Alan regarding the new learning features that came out of beta last year. Its my understanding that you can supplement your bin file with a learned key. Since I don't have a slingbox its rather unclear to me how to go about this, but I assume you put your slingbox into a learning mode ant then point your oem remote at the slingbox and capture the signal and send it up to your slingbox account.

It would be a lot easier for me to comprehend if I had someone give me a demo.

I really think that learning procedure would be the best solution if you have one of the boxes that supports learning.

You set this up here.
http://remotes.slingbox.com/

vickyg2003 wrote:Its my understanding that you can supplement your bin file with a learned key

Unfortunately not, it's an either or situation. The learning system uses a different technique to ours, in that it seems to learn the actual IR signal that is transmitted for each individual button and then transmits that when the button is pressed. It doesn't appear to break it down into protocol/device/OBC.

That's the same way the remotes work. Our tools (DecodeIR, really) analyze the learned signal and try to determine the protocol/device/OBC. The remotes do not.

Vicky is suggesting that you could use a BIN file for most of the functions (pick the protocol that is used for the highest number of functions), and then use learning to add the other functions (that use the different protocol).
This is a very common technique when programming remotes, we just don't know if this can be done with a Slingbox. Sounds like maybe it can not, but that may just be a software thing. I imagine the chipset actually supports it.

alanrichey wrote:

vickyg2003 wrote:Its my understanding that you can supplement your bin file with a learned key

Unfortunately not, it's an either or situation. The learning system uses a different technique to ours, in that it seems to learn the actual IR signal that is transmitted for each individual button and then transmits that when the button is pressed. It doesn't appear to break it down into protocol/device/OBC.

alanrichey wrote:

vickyg2003 wrote:Its my understanding that you can supplement your bin file with a learned key

Unfortunately not, it's an either or situation. The learning system uses a different technique to ours, in that it seems to learn the actual IR signal that is transmitted for each individual button and then transmits that when the button is pressed. It doesn't appear to break it down into protocol/device/OBC.

As Greg said, that's the way our remotes work too. Its just our tools that figure out what the protocol is.

If you can't mix bin with learns, then the user should use all learns because as you said it actually transmits the learns so the fact that they don't break it down by protocol is the feature that is needed here. The OEM remote sends out two very different protocols.

Now if these buttons are not on the OEM remote,(i.e. discretes) then the user has some problems.

Unfortunately it looks like It would require me to update the slingbox firmware to use the learning feature. What got me thinking I coulde use two protocols was the protocol listed as denon combo official that has a drop down menu for sharp or denon protocols in the feature tab.

I guess its not possible to have a drop down for denon or denonK instead of the denon/sharp

Proudx wrote:Unfortunately it looks like It would require me to update the slingbox firmware to use the learning feature.

That wouldn't help, It is purely dependent on Slingbox model.

I've got a pro so it does support the learning feature. However, I have found the older firmware for it gives better streaming stability and better video qaulity. When I goto the remotes.slingbox.com it wants me to update my firmware

It does that reminder whenever you log onto any Sling site, I don't think it's anything to do with the learning,

Give the learning a try. If that doesn't work, post links to the files you need to combine. It requires custom programming to combine something like that, and then I don't know if we could get in under the slingbox limit.

Just FYI, I asked UEI if they have an upgrade for this and it turns out they do, so they must have written a combo protocol already. When they send it to me, I'll convert it into an RM file and post it.

However, there's a good chance that the executor will be too big for the Slingbox, so we may have to see if we can make it more space efficient first.

here it is.
https://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... le_id=9709

So I used irtool to decode the codes I needed using pronto hex from the denon avrxx11 ir codes.xls sheet found online. I determined that my avr-4810 zone2 uses two protocols, it uses the sharp for the zone2 power on/off and zone2 dvd functions and uses the
Denon-K for the zone2 functions like up,down,left,etc. I'm trying to get help combining both these protocols into one rmdu file so that I can export into my slingbox as a single device.

I have tested the 2 rmdu file BIN exports seperately and both work with my slingbox.

Can someone help me combine these 2 into 1 prot/rmdu file?

Proudx wrote:Can someone help me combine these 2 into 1 prot/rmdu file?

Yes, we'll be helping you. Right now we are waiting on UEI to give us an upgrade that combines the two protocols. Once we get it, we will probably need to do some customization to squeeze it into a slingbox.