JP1 Remotes

just4fn · Joined: 23 Nov 2003 Posts: 199

Device: Seville tower fan/ 10187
type: fan
model 10187
rs2116
jp1-yes
cable-yes
pronto- yes but no code
no working upgrade.
learned commands

link to my file:

[url= http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=5581]

is there a protocol that can be built for my fan?
Thanks, Doug
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just4fn · Joined: 23 Nov 2003 Posts: 199

I have a seville fan and I am looking for a protocol.
here is a link to my file

http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=5581

Where are the binaray files? I double click on the learned signal and data comes up but doesn't look anything like the binary files that are posted.

Thanks for the help, just4fn
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johnsfine · Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:09 pm Post subject:

Why do you want a protocol, rather than use the learned signals?

When it's easy, I wouldn't ask, because various minor advantages of protocol over learned normally apply.

But since it is not easy, the difficulty should be weighed against the value.

What "binary files" do you mean?

How many buttons does the original remote have? Did you learn all of them? We may need the original button names to help understand the signals.

How does the behavior of the learned signals compare to the behavior of the original remote?

When a signal is as long as your posted learned data and varies from function to function in the way your signals seem to vary, we often discover that there isn't really a signal per function. Instead there is a signal per state. A button (such as increase speed) doesn't send a signal for increase speed, instead the remote keeps internal state, so an increase speed function makes it increase the speed in that stored state, then send the entire current stored state.

I don't know if your fan remote works that way. I just suspect it from looking at the signals.

vickyg2003 · Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 1:32 pm Post subject:

Its been my experience with fans, that several manufacturer's use the same remote control system. You could check out the other fan upgrades in the file section to see if one of them operates your fan.

just4fn · Joined: 23 Nov 2003 Posts: 199

I am using an extended rs2116 remote. Since it is extended I can't use the learned codes. I loaded the unextended version in the remote to learn the codes to make an upgrade. When I saw the protocol, I could not make the upgrade. I went to the section on how to make a protocol and the binaries I am talking about look like from other posts:

+1266 -428 +1266 -428 +422 -1272 +1266 -428 +1266 -428 +422 -1272 +422 -1272 +422 -1272 +422 -1272 +422 -1272 +1266 -428 +422 -8050.

On my data list it looks like this from the learned signals:

15 60 32 00 D2 03 12 40 09 74 01 13 03 58 01 13
01 31 32 02 22 12 22 12 21 22 22 22 21 12 22 22
12 22 22 12 12 12 22 12 22 22 22 22 10 11 22 22
22 11 12 22 11 .

I just dont know where to go to make the upgrade.

I have tried other peoples upgrade files from their fans and I could not get any of them to work.

All of the learned codes work from the rs2116 remote.

Thanks again
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just4fn · Joined: 23 Nov 2003 Posts: 199

playing with the learned signals, you are correct. it depends on the state. I would like to just be able to turn it on or off.
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The Robman · Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:54 pm Post subject:

Here's your binary/timing data:

0=+550 -610
1=+550 -1710
leadin: +9340 -4840
leadout: +550 -1710

1=00010001 00100000 00110000 01000001 01010001 00000000 01100000 01110001
2=00010000 00100000 00110000 01000001 01010001 00000000 01100000 01110000
3=00010001 00100001 00110000 01000001 01010001 00000000 01100000 01110000
4=00010001 00100001 00110001 01000001 01010001 00000000 01101101 01111100
5=00010001 00100001 00110001 01000001 01010000 00000001 01100101 01110100
6=00010001 00100001 00110001 01000010 01010000 00000001 01100010 01110000

Here's an upgrade that you can try. The functions are assigned to the volume, channel and power buttons.

Upgrade Code 0 = DF D0 (Home Auto/2000) Seville Ultraslimline tower fan (KM v9.10)
FF 00 71 11 20 30 41 51 00 60 71 10 20 30 41 51
00 60 70 11 21 30 41 51 00 60 70 11 21 31 41 51
00 6D 7C 11 21 31 41 50 01 65 74 11 21 31 42 50
01 62 70
End
Upgrade protocol 0 = 01 FF (S3C8+) PB v4.00
43 8C 08 8B 12 8C 44 08 08 01 13 03 43 01 13 01
1D 03 57 12 3E 09 60 8D 01 46
End
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just4fn · Joined: 23 Nov 2003 Posts: 199

I don't understand how its built, but it works fine. Thank you
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The Robman · Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 7:28 am Post subject:

Good to hear.

Can you tell me what each of the 6 buttons do, so I can label them for an upgrade.
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just4fn · Joined: 23 Nov 2003 Posts: 199

I have relearned some of the commands of the remote- same link. There are numerous different codes available depending on state of fan. I downloaded only the ones that don't matter the state of the fan.

1. power on
2. power off
3. fan low
4. fan med
5. fan high
6. rotate on (state of fan when code learned)
7. rotate off

There are other codes available but every state would need to be addressed and I dont think it's necessary
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The Robman · Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:02 am Post subject:

I would appreciate it if you could learn as many of the functions as possible so the upgrade will be as complete as possible.
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just4fn · Joined: 23 Nov 2003 Posts: 199

There are literally 1000 different codes depending on the state of the fan when its turned on or off, fan speeds, rotating on or off, breeze states, timers for each state has a different code. If you could make an upgrade, I could see if there are any discrete's to just change fan speeds, on or off, etc.

If I learn a code to power on, with the fan on low and not rotating, the code will be different than powering on, in medium, rotating fan. there are exponential codes for every function on the remote. It goes on and on for every function with a different state of which the fan is in.

Does this make sense?

I will try see if there are discretes for the just the basic on/off fan speeds low med and high and breeze speeds with an upgrade.
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The Robman · Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:51 am Post subject:

Do the functions in the upgrade work regardless of what mode the fan is in? Using your example "If I learn a code to power on, with the fan on low and not rotating, the code will be different than powering on, in medium, rotating fan"

If the POWER ON code in my upgrade replicates the signal when the fan is "on low and not rotating", would it still work when the fan is "medium and rotating"?

Because each of the 8 bytes in the signal varied depending on the button learned, I had to use 8 bytes of variable data for each button, but if it turns out that most of those differences are irrelevant, I could make a much smaller upgrade.

To this end, could you learn "POWER ON" in as many modes as possible, then confirm that the fan responds to all of the learned signals regardless of it's mode, and then post the IR file.
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johnsfine · Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:53 pm Post subject:

Is the following true or false:

Every signal sets the entire state of the fan regardless of previous state. In other words there is a discrete code for every possible complete state and no codes for anything other than discrete complete states.

If false, please explain some counter example.

just4fn · Joined: 23 Nov 2003 Posts: 199

Robman, yes it would still work but would go back to low and not rotating with the learned on for that code.

I will learn as many as I can in the power on mode

Johnsfine, Yes to your question except for off. Off works in every mode but the remote remembers what state it was in when turned back on.

I hope this answers your questions
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