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va tech hokie



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have done several internet searches about programming the Comcast
remote, but have not found anything related to how I want it to work.
I would have thought there were plenty folks who would like to control
their receiver and cable channel with the AUX key. Do you have
any suggestions where I can research this? ...And maybe you guys
are right, it really cannot be programmed as I want it to work.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

va tech hokie wrote:
OK, my understanding of channel lock...

Assuming all device buttons are equal, if the channel key is locked globally or for the specific device button, such as AUX, then regardless of which device you are using, when you use the channel +/- key, it only switches channels on the cable box.

Is this correct?
No. According to the manual, you cannot shift the CH buttons in AUX mode.
Quote:
PROGRAMMING CHANNEL
CONTROL LOCK
By default, the remote control’s channel-
control capabilities are locked to the
Cable Box. The affected keys are 0 ~ 9,
CH+, CH-, Enter, and Last.
This will guarantee that you do not
inadvertently change a channel while in
the TV mode. However, you can turn
off this feature to allow full access to
these keys in the TV and Cable modes.
NOTE: This feature does not affect the AUX
mode
.
Again, your only hope is Keymoves, but I don't know whether your remote supports keymoves. The manual makes no mention of it, so the only way to find out is for you to try. It can do no harm.
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va tech hokie



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Capn,

I will also try the 9-9-4 key move. It would be great if that would
work..
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm 99% sure that the key move process johnsfine described will work. That process is commonly used on these remotes to add a 30 second skip that isn't on the remote otherwise. At this point the key moves is the only option I see with out buying a cable to program it from a computer. The number of key moves for this shouldn't be a memory issue. It will just take a while if he actually moves all the channel related keys (14 in total). It's a Jp1.2 or 1.3 remote with plenty of available space and most likely non used so far.

Odds are the cable code is correct. It is programed in by default and is locked so you can't easily change it.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My instructions for the keymove process were based on the wild guess that you wanted to end up with more CBL functions (CH+, CH-, digit keys, etc.) in AUX mode than Yamaha functions.

I would have given different instructions if you wanted more Yamaha functions than CBL functions.

Evan_s wrote:
Odds are the cable code is correct. It is programed in by default and is locked so you can't easily change it.


Odds are the setup code assigned to the CBL button is correct. That's why I suggested the 990 process. But I think he said he assigned the CBL setup code to the AUX device button and that didn't work, implying that he didn't use the right setup code.

If you want more Yamaha functions than Cable functions in AUX mode:

1) Program the AUX device button with the Yamaha setup code.

2) Repeat steps 3 to 8, once for each CABLE key required in AUX mode

3) Long press of setup
4) Key in 9 9 4
5) Press CBL
6) Press the desired function key
7) Press AUX
8) Press the desired function key. (should double blink)
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnsfine wrote:
Odds are the setup code assigned to the CBL button is correct. That's why I suggested the 990 process. But I think he said he assigned the CBL setup code to the AUX device button and that didn't work, implying that he didn't use the right setup code.
At this point there are so many unknowns that it is hard to recommend which way-ahead is most efficient, so I opted for the simplest (although not necessarily most memory-efficient) one.

We don't know whether hokie re-designated the AUX button as a CBL button before attempting to assign the CBL setup code to it. It appears that some things in the manual have either not been read or understood, like how CBL lock and Unlock work. As for the locked CBL setup code, that is as easy to unlock as any of these other operations, but(perhaps like Keymover) is not described in the manual. The procedure is:

Quote:
PROGRAMMING CABLE ID LOCK
The Remote Control with Learning
is locked at the factory to operate your cable provider’s
set top box. However, if you have another brand or
model of cable converter or satellite service that you
would like to control, then you’ll need to perform the
following steps to unlock the ID Lock, enter a new
manufacturer’s code, and lock the ID Lock again.
1. Turn on the cable converter.
On the remote control, press CBL once; it will
blink once. Then press and hold SETUP until
the CBL key blinks twice.
3. Enter 9 8 2. The CBL key will blink four
times, indicating ID Lock is unlocked.
4. Perform the instructions under
“Programming Device Control” to
program device control for the desired cable
converter or satellite receiver.
When you are done, perform steps 5 and 6 on
this page to again lock the cable ID Lock.
5. On the remote control, press CBL once; it will
blink once. Then press and hold SETUP until
the CBL key blinks twice.
6. Enter 9 8 2. The CBL key will blink twice,
indicating ID Lock is again locked.

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DVD/VCR: Pioneer DV-400VK (multi-region DVD), Sony BDP-S350 (Blu-ray), Toshiba HD-A3 (HD-DVD), Panasonic AG-W1 (Multi-system VCR);
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Amazon Firestick
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnsfine, you are right, I do want more cable box functions.

I most definitely will print out what both you guys have posted here
and give it a try when I get home.

I really appreciate both of you for taking the time to help me with this.
I am pretty technically compotent, but was not very successful
setting up the AUX button.

As I said in an earlier post, I just discovered this site searching the
internet on how to program my AUX key. Before I got here
I had never heard of JP1 programming and after searching
to find out what JP1 meant, I am very interested in it.

Do you have a link or book title that would give me "JP1 for Dummies"
information?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

look at the link at the bottom of every one of my posts
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RCVR: Onkyo TX-SR875; Integra DTR 40.3
DVD/VCR: Pioneer DV-400VK (multi-region DVD), Sony BDP-S350 (Blu-ray), Toshiba HD-A3 (HD-DVD), Panasonic AG-W1 (Multi-system VCR);
Laserdisc: Pioneer CLD-D704.
Amazon Firestick
tape deck: Pioneer CT 1380WR (double cassette deck)
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Related to what I might have done to the remote.

I did try the lock and unlock for the volume and channel keys several
times.

I have the Scientific Atlanta box and used 01877 for the code.

A few times I did assign the AUX button the code for my yamaha.
A few times, I also assigned the AUX button code 01877 for the cable box button.
And I would use the key lock and unlock procedure, but
never got the channel key to work, except when the aux button was
assigned to the cable box. Right now, the AUX button is assigned to my Yamaha.

While playing around with the volume and channel locks, I did loose
my tv volume when using the cable button. When I would press
volume, the cable box volume.

So, not understanding all I knew about the situation Laughing , I followed the
manual and locked the volume and channel keys, then I used setup and
assigned 01877 to the cable button. After doing this, the cable
button seems to work the same as it originally did.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Capn Trips wrote:
look at the link at the bottom of every one of my posts

Capn, great links. This is exactly what I am looking for...
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:08 pm    Post subject: Re: johnsfine Reply with quote

johnsfine, just want to make sure of something... In number 10 below,
you say program the AUX device to the CBL's setup code.
Will this not wipe out the "move key" values that were performed
in steps 3 thru 8????
johnsfine wrote:
In other models of remote the process for the reverse keymoves would be:
1) Program the TV device button with the Yamaha setup code.
2) Repeat steps 3 to 8, once for each Yamaha key required in AUX mode
3) Long press of setup
4) Key in 9 9 4
5) Press TV
6) Press the desired function key
7) Press AUX
8) Press the desired function key. (should double blink)

9) Program the TV device button back to its own setup code
10) Program the AUX device button to the CBL's setup code
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:18 pm    Post subject: Re: johnsfine Reply with quote

va tech hokie wrote:
johnsfine, just want to make sure of something... In number 10 below,
you say program the AUX device to the CBL's setup code.
Will this not wipe out the "move key" values that were performed
in steps 3 thru 8????


No. It won't. Changing a setup code does not change previously defined keymoves.

You might have expected either (9) or (10) to mess up those keymoves. But neither does.

Each keymove copies info from the specified TV key to the specified AUX key. It does not make the AUX key a reference to the TV key, so later changing the TV setup code does not affect what has already been copied.

The setup code for each device mode is internally implimented as a "fall back" definition used for any given key only after a series of other possibilities (volume lock, keymove, etc.) are considered. When you program the setup code you aren't affecting any of the things that would be considered before the setup code.

The rules at this level of detail are both complicated and arbitrary. UEI's documentation doesn't approach that level of detail. We know the rules only because they are so similar across so many models and because people have carefully investigated them.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The basics of john's instructions are correct and would give you the result you are looking for but I don't quite follow why he has you changing the codes for things.

I think the following would be slightly easier since it doesn't involve changing around setup codes.

Program your Tv to control your TV, Cable to control cable and Aux to control your yamaha receiver. Make sure Volume punch threw and channel punch threw are on and operating the way you want for tv and cable. Make sure Volume punch threw is turned off for AUX and it's controlling the volume on your receiver.

1) Long press of setup
2) Key in 9 9 4
3) Press Cable
4) Press the desired function key
6) Press AUX
7) Press the desired function key. (should double blink)
8) Repeat steps 3 to 7 for each key you need to move. Normally the key pressed in step 4 and 7 should be the same key (EG the 1 key both times)
9) Once done moving all the keys you are interested in press and hold setup until last device key blinks.

To explain the process think of it as a copy paste process. First key copies which ever key you press on Cable and then pastes it to the key pressed on AUX. You can repeat this process as many times as needed to make it faster to do. You can also skip pressing the device keys if it's already on the right device and you just want to copy a key from one location to another on the same device.

As already explained these key moves are stored separately from the device code and are not affected by changing the device code. They have to be cleared by a reset of the remote or a different process.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:43 pm    Post subject: Re: johnsfine Reply with quote

My assumption was each time a button, such as AUX was programmed to
another setup code, the button memory was wiped clean and all old
functions for that button were deleted and the new put in place....
I had no idea I could get so excited over programming a button on
a remote. Again, thanks for the education.
johnsfine wrote:

No. It won't. Changing a setup code does not change previously defined keymoves.

You might have expected either (9) or (10) to mess up those keymoves. But neither does.

Each keymove copies info from the specified TV key to the specified AUX key. It does not make the AUX key a reference to the TV key, so later changing the TV setup code does not affect what has already been copied.

The setup code for each device mode is internally implimented as a "fall back" definition used for any given key only after a series of other possibilities (volume lock, keymove, etc.) are considered. When you program the setup code you aren't affecting any of the things that would be considered before the setup code.

The rules at this level of detail are both complicated and arbitrary. UEI's documentation doesn't approach that level of detail. We know the rules only because they are so similar across so many models and because people have carefully investigated them.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the more intuitive (what I consider "forward") version of the keymoves, Evan is correct.

But because you want more Cable functions than Yamaha functions in the AUX mode, the "backwards" setup will take less memory in the remote and probably less time to program. The backwards setup requires the extra changes of setup code.

I think the firware of the remote will automatically disable volume lock of AUX mode when you do that backwards setup (even if you didn't want it to). If you chose the forwards setup, Even is correct that you should make sure the volume lock is off for AUX mode.
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