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joedaring · Joined: 04 Jun 2006 Posts: 109

Hi again!
I'm still working on the upgrade to allow command of my new TV, which is a Philips LCD TV Mod. 32PF9731D/10, with an OFA Kam8 9960 B01 Smile

The initial troubles that prevented my RC6 upgrade to work correctly have all been discussed and addressed in another thread
(http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7315),
and I want to say again thank you to all the experts that have contributed toward a happy end...

Now I've built the basic RC6 upgrade to command this TV, and it works, but now I'm facing another hurdle... This new TV is definitely proving to be quite a challenge, and NOT only for the wallet! Wink

As I noted in the same thread referenced above, I've found some useful discrete codes for my TV buried in this Pronto .PCF file, and would like to add them to the upgrade for later use in macros. http://www.pronto.philips.com/library/downloads/2004-05%20TV%20Discrete%20Codes.zip

I've been able to decode all the discretes in that .pcf file and built a list of all those functions and, of course I want to add them to the upgrade...

Here is where a problem surfaces: They are NOT RC6 Device 0, like all the other commands in the basic upgrade I built (After learning some keys from the original remote and decoding them in IR...): They are RC5 Device 3 and some RC5 Device 0, for good measure!

So, now I have:
The basic upgrade, which is RC6 Dev. 0
Some 25 Discretes, that are RC5 Dev. 3
Some 4 Discretes that are RC5 Dev. 0

I've done my homeworks, and found this post about another Philips TV using mixed RC6 and RC5 protocols:
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7105
I understand you suggested to use external functions to fill the gaps...
This is difficult for me right now, because I'm already out of Keymoves memory, and I understand that external functions can be implemented as keymoves only...

Unfortunately, I have both the upgrade for my HT Receiver that has a lot of Shift keys and the upgrade for my DVD recorder which is in similar situation... Rob and Capn Trips suggested to split the upgrades that have a lot of shifts into two different upgrades (one for normal functions and the other for the shifted functions), then use the Device Multiplexor or Device Toggler to assemble them onto the same device key...

Unfortunately, I have found that I can't use the Device Toggler/Multiplexor with my remote, the 9960 B01, because it is not supported by these two special protocols, nor is an extender available (Yet! Wink

) to optimize memory useage of this remote.

So, apart for using two completely different device keys for the two (normal and shifted) upgrades, I've no cure for this keymoves' memory starvation...

Then I read this recent thread about a W.I.P. RC5/RC6 Protocol PID0184:
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7293
And I wonder: is this RC5/RC6 protocol the best solution for my TV upgrade? Is this protocol already in my remote? If it isn't, can add it externally?

If worse comes to worst, I'll try to free some keymoves' space and go with the external functions but, then, should I add an RC5 Dev. 0 + Dev. 3 Upgrade, or there is already something in my remote that can be used as a source for these external functions?

Also, if I remember well, the RC5 protocol allows use for up to 3 different devices, each with half the available OBC range... to use the full OBC range, it is necessary to use two of the available devices' slots and this leaves only half of the OBC range for the second device... it goes without saying that I have commands in the upper AND lower OBC range for both 3 and 0 devices, and this would make it 4 total device slots needed... is there a solution to this?

Well, it's all for now, and I hope I haven't made too much confusion here, and that you have time to drop me a hint or two about which is the best way to go...

My best regards and thanks in advance...

Ciao! Joe

joedaring · Joined: 04 Jun 2006 Posts: 109

uhmmm...
I guess that, this time, my question doesn't stimulate enough the ones that know better! Wink

Well, I can't complain, since I had my share of your time getting hep for my other problem...

OK... should I wait for the mixed RC5/RC6 protocol to be implemented in RM, instead of looking for alternate solutions?

Any advice is welcome... thanks...

Ciao, Joe

The Robman · Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 6:30 pm Post subject:

I don't believe there is an "RC5/RC6 Combo" protocol available for use anywhere, so it's not a case of simply waiting for RM to add support for it. Therefore, your best option is to use the Device Combiner, which is a selectable protocol in both RM and KM.
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johnsfine · Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:28 am Post subject:

I think pid 0184 is the correct combo.

I'm sorry I haven't made any progress toward protocols.ini support for it since starting that other thread. I still hope to do so soon.

irs009 · Joined: 14 May 2006 Posts: 99

Johnsfine, in this linked thread You, Robman, and Greg helped me build an upgrade using PID 0184 on an 8910.

http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6465

Here is a link to the KM upgrade:

http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=3851

Jack

joedaring · Joined: 04 Jun 2006 Posts: 109

Hi all...
Well... tanks for your replies, guys!

johnsfine · Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:15 pm Post subject:

See the update I just wrote to the thread at
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=50440#50440

I think the version of 0184 in the 9960 is supported as the older of the two versions in protocols.ini (the one you get if you don't edit the rdf file).

joedaring · Joined: 04 Jun 2006 Posts: 109

Hi John...

Thanks for the follow-up to my message...
Please, I need some more help with this...

When you say:

johnsfine · Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 7:23 am Post subject:

joedaring · Joined: 04 Jun 2006 Posts: 109

Hi John!
Your quick look was enough, at least for the problem with RM's user interface when the RC5/RC6 Combo protocol was selected: with the new "protocol.ini" everything is fine and I'm assembling my upgrade including the discretes that use RC5... I'll let you know how it goes.

BTW... the discretes I have are some with Dev.0 (Just one or two) and some Dev.3 (Some 25 codes)...

With this RC5/RC6 Combo protocol I can choose to use up to two RC6 Devices (I actually need ONE, so this is fine!) but what about RC5? Can I freely use both device 0 and 3 by entering them into the Dev5 column in the Functions table? Hope so!

or the time being, thanks a lot for your close following of this thread too Smile

Have a nice sunday!

Joe

johnsfine · Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 7:08 pm Post subject:

You can use as many RC5 device numbers as you like.

joedaring · Joined: 04 Jun 2006 Posts: 109

Hi john and all,
posted this before, but didn't show in the thread, so I try again...

So, last night I assembled an upgrade for my Philips LCD TV using the new RC5/RC6 combo Protocol to include some of the discretes I've found...

Sorry to report it doesn't work! Sad

I just hope I didn't do anything stupid... and if I did, please bear with me: it was late! Smile

One thing I noticed is that the EFC5 column reports "strange" numbers, completely different from, as an example, the EFC5 numbers I get when using the same OBCs in the specialized RC6 upgrade I already have for the TV.

I'm sure OBCs and EFC5s in the RC6 upgrade are OK, and also I'm sure the C5 discretes are OK since I tested them one by one...

I have upload a zip file in the diagnosys area, in case you want to have a look at what I did:
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=3852
It contains the RM upgrade and the IR file I loaded it into before uploading everything to the remote... hopefully notes will be embedded this time Wink

, if this is of ay help...

No hurry, of course, I just hope you can peek at it whenever you feel like doing so...

Enjoy your sunday!

Ciao, Joe