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mdavej · Expert Joined: 08 Oct 2003 Posts: 4501

I have a Sony KDS60A2000 TV and have found a couple of device files plus a couple of learned keys that give me all the functions I need. But to save memory and keymoves, I'd like to combine all into one device upgrade. I'd also like to do it using something like the Sony 12/15/20 protocol rather than the generic device combiner so it won't intefere with my other upgrades. My attempt to combine all 4 devices (1, 119, 151 and 164) doesn't work at all.

johnsfine · Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 2:27 pm Post subject:

The codes you should be combining are

Sony12: 1
Sony15: 119
Sony15: 151
Sony15: 164

There aren't any Sony20 codes there.

The Sony Combo 12/15/20 selection in KM still might be the best way to do it (since there doesn't seem to be an equally configurable Sony 12/15 combo). But you used it wrong.

KM's protocol instructions tell you to put just the device number in the byte2 column of each line (to get a sony12 or Sony15 signal).

It gives you the alternative to put a 5 (for Sony12) or a 6 (for Sony15) followed by the device number. I see you were trying to do that. But you got confused by the similarity but difference between the instructions for Sony20 and the instructions for that harder way of doing Sony12/15.

The Subdevices on the setup sheet are only for Sony20. The Sony15 device must be explicit in the byte2 column, with or without a 6 before it. The device number itself, not an index back to a postion on the setup sheet.

mdavej · Expert Joined: 08 Oct 2003 Posts: 4501

Yeah, that's what I tried first (device number only in byte2), but I couldn't get that to work either. So I'm still a little confused. Are my 4 devices 1-2-3-4 or 0-1-2-3 in the byte2 column?

johnsfine · Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 2:38 pm Post subject:

mdavej · Expert Joined: 08 Oct 2003 Posts: 4501

Ok. So I need to use the acutal device number in byte2 and not an enumeration. Now I understand. I'll give it a try tonight. Thanks.

gfb107 · Expert Joined: 03 Aug 2003 Posts: 3411 Location: Cary, NC

mdavej · Expert Joined: 08 Oct 2003 Posts: 4501

Works great. Thanks to all. Here's the final product:
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=3835

Rick Webb · Joined: 09 Jan 2005 Posts: 13

I went and rated your upgrade a 10. It works like a charm with my KDF46E2000. I was a little concerned at first since signals from the OEM Sony RM-YD010 that I learned on my URC9910 decoded in IR to many Protocol 20 OBC's. I think the protocol explanation is a little deceiving to say that only 4 protocol 20 functions can be used. Its really 4 subdevices which can have many OBC's for each subdevice ... At lest that was my take but I didn't end up having to make my own upgrade since your's worked fine. Thanks again.

Rick 8)

The Robman

Capn Trips · Expert Joined: 03 Oct 2003 Posts: 3990

I believe he's referring to the Protocol Help in KM quoted above. The highlighted words can be subject to misinterpretation.

johnsfine · Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:52 am Post subject:

We've also seen confusion between Sony20 subdevices and Sony12/15 devices. That shouldn't have been confusing, but maybe we need to explicitly clear that up as well in the protocol help.

You can combine up to four different Sony20 subdevice codes with any number of Sony20 device codes and you can also combine any number of Sony12 and Sony15 device codes. Sony12 and Sony15 do not use subdevice codes.

The Robman · Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 10:00 am Post subject:

Rick Webb · Joined: 09 Jan 2005 Posts: 13

Thanks gentlemen for your fantastic forum and for your clarification of functions versus codes for this newbie. Here's a couple related questions.

Learned codes:
The 'Up' key of the OEM Sony RM-YD010 learned onto my URC9910 was decoded by IR as Sony20 Dev26 Subdev114. In the upgrade of this topic, SONY-KDS60A2000-2116.txt, the 'Up' key is listed on the 'Functions' sheet as OBC 116 dev 1. Do isn't device one relegated to Sony12? Why would KM see it as a Sony20 protocol?

Duplicate models:
Is my rating of this upgrade sufficient for others with a KDF46E2000 to find it? or is there a cross-reference list to let other's know the SONY-KDS60A2000-2116.txt works with other models?

Thanks again.

More perplexing to me is why a KDF46E2000

Rick Webb · Joined: 09 Jan 2005 Posts: 13

Sorry guys,

Please ignore the P'erhaps more perplexing ...' at the bottom of the last post, I hit the Submit button before proofreading. Also it should be 'So isn't device 1 ...' instead of 'Do isn't device one ...' Next time I'll hit Preview before submit. Cheers.

Rick

mdavej · Expert Joined: 08 Oct 2003 Posts: 4501

Rick,

I can confirm that my KDSA2000 uses the same RM-YD010 remote as your's. So I looked it up on sony's esupport website and got a model list which I've added to my file description (which is searchable).

I built this upgrade mostly by cobbling together other existing upgrade files and decoding just a couple of learned keys. The "Wide" key, for example did decode correctly as a device 164. I didn't try the "Up" key, so I don't know what's going on with the protocol mismatch.