JP1 Remotes

1. Device: Pioneer PDP436XDE
2. Type of device: Plasma TV
3. Year: 2005
4. JP1 Remote model: Commands learned with URC-7562. Target device URC-6131
5. JP1 user? yes
6. Still have original remote? yes
7. Checked the file section? yes
8. Checked the Pronto file section (at R/C)? yes
9. Partially working setup code? Pioneer device 170
10. Learning remote question? I have 7562 that I am using for learning the commands. 7562 learns the command and they can be used with that remote but my target is to use 6131 as it has the needed buttons. The problem is that some of the command are not decoded in the IR so that they could be transferred into KM or RM.

Signal description for some command is like:

Protocol Device OBC
1 Pioneer 170 91
2 Pioneer 175 46
3 Gap-546-1237-15? AA.55

I understand that this could be Pioneer-mix protocol with
devices 170 and 175 but what is that Gap-546-1237...

ir-file containing the learned commands:
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... le_id=2694

Ignore the Gap decode.

When no valid decode is present the Gap decode gives info that a protocol expert can use to start to figure out a new protocol.

When a valid decode is also present, the Gap decode has no value.

In this case it probably indicates that the learned signal didn't start and stop on clean boundaries of the true repeat pattern. If you wanted to keep and use the learned signal that would suggest it's worth trying again to get a cleaner learn. BUT since you seem to want to decode the learned signal rather than use it, there is no reason to relearn. You have a correct decode plus some extra to be ignored.

As for which Pioneer protocol executor can generate the combination you need, I never knew much and forgot what I knew. You seem to have a good idea how to attack that yourself and I'm sure Rob or other expert will help if you get stuck. (Usually you need the whole list of desired Pioneer signals before selecting an executor. You wouldn't select based on one function).

These signals fall into 2 categories...

1) 1-part signals with device code 170 (various OBCs)
2) 2-part signals where the 1st part is dev 170, OBC 91, 2nd part is dev 175 (various OBCs)

Therefore you want to use the "Pioneer MIX" protocol.

Now I have learned all commands and it seems that in all 1-part signals the device code is 170. In the two part commands the device code is 175 in all but the OBC can be 090, 091, 094, 212 or 213.

Do I need a new protocol as the Pioneer MIX allows you to have only two different commands in the first half. Anyone have one already made?

The "Pioneer MIX 4-cmd" protocol will let you mix up to four different OBCs for the 1st part, so you'd need to drop one of the 5 OBCs.

I just found the 4-cmd protocol before your reply. What is the format for the cmd byte as the help does have entry for this protocol. For the basic MIX protocol: 0=single-style signal, 1=double with cmd1 for first half and 3=double with cmd2 for first half. According to this logic 7=cmd3 and 15=cmd4. Or do I get it completely wrong.

arsi wrote:Now I have learned all commands and it seems that in all 1-part signals the device code is 170. In the two part commands the device code is 175 in all but the OBC can be 090, 091, 094, 212 or 213.

Do I need a new protocol as the Pioneer MIX allows you to have only two different commands in the first half. Anyone have one already made?

What you are describing is NOT what is in the file you uploaded.

In the file you uploaded, the FIRST command in each 2-command signal is always Device 170, OBC 91.

It's the SECOND part that is Device 175, so Rob's advice three posts above is correct.

If you have ADDITIONAL signals that use Device 175 and various OBCs for the FIRST part of a two-part command, that would be (1) different, and (2) unusual, and (3) a problem.

(You have not shown this to be the case, you have merely said so)

In two command signals the first part is always device 170 and the OBC is either 090, 091, 094, 212 or 213. Second command is device 175 and OBC varies. The file I uploaded contained only 091 for the first OBC. Now that I have all commands learned I have found that the two signal codes are grouped so that for example input selects use OBC 090 for the first part and red/green/yellow/blue uses 091, other controls are grouped behind 212 and 213. Then there is one single two signal command using 094 for first half.

I try to use Mix 4-cmd protocol and make a separate upgradeof the 094 command .

Could you replace the last IR file that you loaded with the current one, so we can see the learned signals for ourselves.

OK I have uploaded a new file containing input selects mapped to number buttons, red/green/blue/yellow and some other controls. Up/down/left/right are single signal commands.

That file only contains OBCs 90, 91 and 212 for the 1st part, which can be programmed using the 4-cmd protocol. I didn't see any functions that use the other OBCs that you mentioned.

I checked the Pioneer web site for a similar model and found the following commands that use other OBCs (than 90, 91 or 212) for the first part of a two part command:

170:211 - 175:51 ==> Discrete input select PC

170:213 - 175:96 ==> Discrete input select i.Link

170:211 - 175:219 ==> DTV INFO

170:211 - 175:116 ==> RETURN (from setup)

170:211 - 175:60 ==> SCREEN SIZE

170:213 - 175:32 ==> PIP Split

170:213 - 175:37 ==> PIP Swap

170:213 - 175:39 ==> PIP Shift

I don't know how much these codes vary from one model to the next, so I don't know if any of those are right for the model in this thread.

I got it working now. I downloaded a KM file behind the above link. All buttons that I tried are working. As soon as I fine tune it, add the one missing command that needs OBC 094 for first part and test it, I will download it to the device upgrade area.

If you decide that you'd like the upgrade to contain all of the buttons, we should be able to tweek the protocol so that it can handle an extra OBC for the 1st part.

That would save one additional device upgrade and a key move in my case.

I guess that there will be more Pioneer command sets needing more than four OBC in first part so that would not hurt.