Seperate on and off buttons onto one toggle button ?

jens · Post by **jens** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 6:25 pm

My Harmon/Kardon amp has a seperate button for power off and power on. I would like to program my RCU810 so that the on/off button toggles the power like it does for any of my other devices. From what I have found on the web, this is possible but I have not yet figured out how to approach this. A hint or three on how to start would be appreciated. Do I need an extender for this ? Is there some site that might explain this in a bit of detail ?

Jens

underquark · Post by **underquark** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 6:34 pm

1] Have power-ON on power and power-OFF on shift-power and that way you can still leave the discrete ON and OFF available for macros?

2] Have power off as a LongKeyPress

3] Read up about TOADTOG

4] Use #1 and have one macro that turns all your devices OFF and another that turns all your devices ON.

Personally I'd favour #1 &/or #4 as I find it too easy to mistakenly hit the power button (on my 8910) instead of the Up arrow.

Nils_Ekberg · Post by **Nils_Ekberg** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 8:45 pm

Another possibility would be ToadTog.

If bit (switch) is OFF send power on and set the bit ON.

If bit is ON send power off and then set bit OFF.

jens · Post by **jens** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 12:55 am

underquark wrote:1] Have power-ON on power and power-OFF on shift-power and that way you can still leave the discrete ON and OFF available for macros?

2] Have power off as a LongKeyPress

3] Read up about TOADTOG

4] Use #1 and have one macro that turns all your devices OFF and another that turns all your devices ON.

Personally I'd favour #1 &/or #4 as I find it too easy to mistakenly hit the power button (on my 8910) instead of the Up arrow.

Thanks, I will look into those. #3 surprises me - I thought the whole thing with that is to separate keys that toggle (but I really don't know yet).
I will eventually want to do a macro that turns on/off the cable box, the amp and the TV but I got to learn how to do the on/off of the amp first

. My cable box offers a built-in macro to turn off/on all power but sometimes I need just one or two devices on and their macro seems to do all the devices or nothing.

Jens

jens · Post by **jens** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 12:58 am

Nils_Ekberg wrote:Another possibility would be ToadTog.

If bit (switch) is OFF send power on and set the bit ON.

If bit is ON send power off and then set bit OFF.

Hmmm, maybe I have the ToadTog all wrong since you are the second person to suggest that. I read thru the docs several times but so far it hasn't quite 'clicked' yet.
I will read it a few more times and hope that the light will go on

Jens

Capn Trips · Post by **Capn Trips** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 4:48 am

jens wrote:
Nils_Ekberg wrote:Another possibility would be ToadTog.

If bit (switch) is OFF send power on and set the bit ON.

If bit is ON send power off and then set bit OFF.
Hmmm, maybe I have the ToadTog all wrong since you are the second person to suggest that. I read thru the docs several times but so far it hasn't quite 'clicked' yet.
I will read it a few more times and hope that the light will go on

Jens

ToadTog protocol allows you to do this both ways, i.e.
(1) create "discretes" where none exist from "toggles", AND/OR
(2) create "toggles" where none exist from "discretes"

Unfortunately, it appears there is no ToadTog protocol for the RCA RCU810.

jens · Post by **jens** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 11:13 am

Capn Trips wrote:ToadTog protocol allows you to do this both ways, i.e.
(1) create "discretes" where none exist from "toggles", AND/OR
(2) create "toggles" where none exist from "discretes"

Unfortunately, it appears there is no ToadTog protocol for the RCA RCU810.

Yes, I found this tidbit last night when I was digging. On the bright side, it makes my decision a bit simpler

Thanks

Jens

Capn Trips · Post by **Capn Trips** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 12:44 pm

Well, frankly. I don't use toggle power commands - I have created discretes for those that don't have them with ToadTog - and instead use method #4 described above. "Power" is my "All OFF" macro, and the device buttons are "Discrete ON, Select appropriate inputs" macro.

jens · Post by **jens** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 4:46 pm

Capn Trips wrote:Well, frankly. I don't use toggle power commands - I have created discretes for those that don't have them with ToadTog - and instead use method #4 described above. "Power" is my "All OFF" macro, and the device buttons are "Discrete ON, Select appropriate inputs" macro.

So if I understand this correctly, you would push the TV button to turn the TV on ? When you want to operate the DVD player that is already on you would push DVD but because it's already on it doesn't do anything in regards to power but instead sets the current device type to DVD ?

You can not turn off power individually - instead the power button has a macro that turns off all devices.

Have you run into any 'out of sync' issues for your ToadTog and if so, how have you dealt with them ?

90% of the time I would want to turn on TV,Cable and Amp - do you have a separate button for that or do you press them individually ?

Jens

Capn Trips · Post by **Capn Trips** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 4:58 pm

jens wrote: So if I understand this correctly, you would push the TV button to turn the TV on ? When you want to operate the DVD player that is already on you would push DVD but because it's already on it doesn't do anything in regards to power but instead sets the current device type to DVD ?

Correct.

jens wrote:You can not turn off power individually - instead the power button has a macro that turns off all devices.

Actually, I CAN turn off power individually, although I normally do not. a SHORT press of the Power button will toggle the power to the current device, whilst a LONG press of the Power button will execute my "Alll Off" macro.

jens wrote:Have you run into any 'out of sync' issues for your ToadTog and if so, how have you dealt with them ?

Ocassionally, for which I have assigned the associated Power Toggle function to another, otherwise unsused, button for the affected piece of gear, and if they get out of synch (about 25% of the time) I just send the Power toggle function that does NOT set/reset the ToadTog flag.

jens wrote:90% of the time I would want to turn on TV,Cable and Amp - do you have a separate button for that or do you press them individually ?

That would be my SAT button (as 90% of the time, I'm watching SAT). Short press selects SAT as my active device, just like a regular device in an unextended remote, whilst a LONG press of SAT Turns on SAT, Turns on TV and slects the correct input, turns on AMP and selects the correct input, Assigns the PIP keys to TV, assigns the VOL keys to AMP, assigns all of the other keys to SAT, and sets the LCD display to show "SKY+ BOX".

Feel free to examine my setup in this file. You will notice that I have (using the extender) ZERO bytes of upgrade memory left and 6 bytes of Keymove/Macro memory, so I suppose I could add ONE MORE KEYMOVE to truly max that sucker out!

underquark · Post by **underquark** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 5:49 pm

Capn Trips wrote:You will notice that I have (using the extender) ZERO bytes of upgrade memory left and 6 bytes of Keymove/Macro memory, so I suppose I could add ONE MORE KEYMOVE to truly max that sucker out!

Would that be a one-byte or a two-byte command?