JP1 Remotes

I have uploaded the directv_d10_sat_1377_km data to my URC-8810 and everything works ok but the menu key, it does the "active" key function rather than the "menu" function. I used the learning function for the menu key and it works correctly.
I downloaded the data from the remote and the learned data shows up but does not give me any OBC or EFC codes.
How do I obtain these codes from the learned data? I don't have Excel so I can't use KM. I have spent two days reading about JP1 stuff ad can't find my answer.
Help would be appreciated,
Don

1. Post your IR file which contains the learned signal in the Diagnosis Area.
2. Read the "how to" that describes how to post links.
3. Post a link to the file here.

dongentry wrote:I have uploaded the directv_d10_sat_1377_km data to my URC-8810...

I don't have Excel so I can't use KM

If you don't have Excel, did you load the file with RM? If not, how did you change the remote to the 8810 (the file is setup for the 15-1994)?

I've done so much so many different ways I'm having trouble remembering what is what.
I used RM to configure the file for my 8810, and used IR to upload it to my remote.
I didn't find a "diagnostic area" - seems like I saw one somewhere. My mind is a blur.
Here is the code from the learned tab:
+5980-1190+1196-1192+598-596+598-596+1196-594+598-596+598-596+1196-594+1196-594+598-29910
It looks like 93 but I'm not sure about the 1196-1192. It doesn't fit in the "1" - "0" pattern. I figured the last two words are the bit count.
I don't have a clue about the first two words.
I also tried IRtool and it says the code is not learned code.
I tried applying the documentation about decoding the data, but all their codes start with 0000 xxxx. mine doesn't start with zeros. Also, what exactly is the first two words telling me?
Thanks, Don

I don't remember this protocol. I see the evidence scattered about indicating that Jon figured it out. But I can't find Jon's description.

I assume I never added it to DecodeIr, so posting in the diagnosis folder:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jp1/files ... is%20Area/
would be only slightly better than what you already did.

So I guess we're waiting for Jon's answer, unless one of the other experts knows the inner details of pid 0162.

Jon, is there a description somewhere that I should use for adding DecodeIr support?

dongentry wrote:I didn't find a "diagnostic area" - seems like I saw one somewhere. My mind is a blur.

Look at the signature in post before yours, there's a link to the "JP1 File Section", that's where you'll find the Diagnosis Area.

Nobody here is going to try and decode a signal just from one sample of the timing data, we're all going to want to see the complete IR file.

johnsfine wrote:Jon, is there a description somewhere that I should use for adding DecodeIr support?

https://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2961

There is also a link to a very similar protocol from Motorola that uses a different check nibble.

The Robman wrote: Nobody here is going to try and decode a signal just from one sample of the timing data.

Rob's usually right, but where's the fun in consistency, so:

dongentry wrote: +5980-1190+1196-1192+598-596+598-596+1196-594+598-596+598-596+1196-594+1196-594+598-29910

Based on the decode rules in the link Jon just posted, that is OBC 32, which is the "Alt Menu" function in that upgrade.

Also John that thread may be confusing as to which protocol is which.

The DirecTV is:

{38k,600,msb}<1,-1|1,-2|2,-1|2,-2>(10,-2,D:4,F:8,C:4,1.-50,(5,-2,D:4,F:8,C:4,1,-50)+)
The complete algorithm for the check byte is:
Multiply the OBC bits (7,6,5,4,3,2,1,0) individually by 0x (E,7,A,5,6,3,2,1) and then Mod 16 that sum.

The similar Motorola protocol is:

{38k,600,msb}<1,-1|1,-2|2,-1|2,-2>(10,-2,D:4,F:8,C:4,1.-16,(5,-2,D:4,F:8,C:4,1,-16)+) where C=Mod16(F:2:6*7+F:2:4*4+F:2:2*2+F:2:0*1)

And I agree the OBC is 32 for the command posted. If my notes are correct he can key move hex 20 in to see if it works.

What in the IR file do you want. That's the only learned function I have for that device.
johnsfine is right about the 0160. I didn't know what I was looking at when I saw it on the protocol tab. Somebody had renamed it as 1377.
It works on the Directv D10 and my 8810 remote.
I'll try the 32 and see.

dongentry wrote:What in the IR file do you want. That's the only learned function I have for that device.
johnsfine is right about the 0160. I didn't know what I was looking at when I saw it on the protocol tab. Somebody had renamed it as 1377.
It works on the Directv D10 and my 8810 remote.
I'll try the 32 and see.

Hopefully somebody else understands this post, because I sure don't. What is the 0160 and how could a protocol be called 1377?

I made a mistake it's 0162 (protocol ID). If you'll go up and read what johnsfine wrote he evidently knows what it is.
I didn't say the protocol was 1377. In the first post I said I uploaded to my remote that upgrade by that name. Seems like you are the only one who didn't know what I was talking about.
Why do you have to be so hateful?
Don

dongentry wrote: I'll try the 32 and see.

Remember that was an OBC number. To use it you'd need to go back to the RemoteMaster functions sheet. But it's already there as "Alt Menu" so you only need to go back to the RemoteMaster Buttons sheet and map that function. Or you could use the hex cmd (as Jon suggested) to try it diretly in IR.EXE

dongentry wrote:I made a mistake it's 0162 (protocol ID).

When you didn't say what the number meant AND you type it wrong, that doesn't give us enough to guess what you meant. We all make typos, so when your typo confused Rob all you needed to do was clarify.

dongentry wrote:If you'll go up and read what johnsfine wrote he evidently knows what it is.

I took the time to go to the SAT folder and find directv_d10_sat_1377_km and look inside it (and see what Jon had done earlier). Otherwise I wouldn't have had a clue about (protocol ID) 162.

dongentry wrote:Seems like you are the only one who didn't know what I was talking about.
Why do you have to be so hateful?
Don

Rob was being helpful not hateful. If you don't ask the question in a way we can understand, we can't help. When he tells you to post better information about your question, he is helping you get a better answer.

Hey, that worked.
Thanks, Don