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vickyg2003
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jetstar52 wrote:
What is it about the fact that it's jp1.3 makes you dislike it, Vicky?

The assembly language. The Motorola assembly is so much easier than the lanuguage used in the Samsung chips. The Samsung is backwards when I compare it to every computer language I speak, and its so complicated with the W and R registers and has a lot of rules that are hard to come to grips with.

Add to that, the Motorola chips have a bigger buffer for the IR signals, so you can set up a complex signal with more fixed data with ease, and I'd have to say its too bad that the JP1.2 remotes have left the scene.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's because, since the beginning, Motorola engineer were programmers.
And that's why the Amiga got immediately so much good quality software.
680x0 assembler was great compared to other CPUs at the time.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zibri wrote:
The 7960 is really nice looking. Does anybody know what interface does it have? In the chart there is only the 7950 which is jp1.3

I don't think anyone has answered this question. The URC-7960 is a JP1.4 remote. I don't think there is any chance of an extender being written for any JP1.4 remote in the near future, if at all. I have one for testing and thought of using it "for real", but I cannot make it as useful or convenient as my trusty URC-7781 (with my extender, of course Smile ). Before you get one, read this thread to check out views and info about it.

Edit: I should have said this thread, but both are of relevance.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

These are the few JP1 remotes we tried:



'Button action' is a crude judgement of the prominence/recession and feel of the buttons.

Atlas is the only one here which does not 'learn'.

7781 has an interesting timed macro facility. It also has a small screen which requires left and right arrow buttons for device selection. However, this is simply a nuisance unless can use JP1 to get round it.

Even for RCRP05BR, in the first full configuration controlling 5 devices without extender and with fairly basic moves and macros, there was one physical button spare and 2bytes left unused in the moves/macro space.

For us, only RCRP05B scrapes by for macro space while 7950 has twice as much, and has the largest buttons.

RCRP05B can do DSMs without an extender but 7950 is straightforward to program with JP1, and has the best IR range when held at an angle.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the answer. I'm not planning buying a new remote. I use device default remotes and my TVs and BDs are all wifi-remote enabled. I can control them from my iPad or my pc.

But as I said I love to learn new things.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tranx wrote:
These are the few JP1 remotes we tried:

Atlas is the only one here which does not 'learn'.

There is a learning version of the Atlas 1056B01. I use 2 of them (with extender, of course!)

(Although, to be fair, they are next to impossible to find. Haven't seen one on eBay in over a year.)
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DVD/VCR: LG Blu-Ray player, Pioneer DV-400VK (multi-region DVD), Sony BDP-S350 (Blu-ray), Toshiba HD-A1 (HD-DVD), Panasonic AG-W1 (Multi-system VCR);
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Button action on the Atlas improves greatly with time. They are very stiff out of the box.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 7:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vickyg2003 wrote:
andyross wrote:
It's JP1.2. Only has 5 device keys, but supports 8 devices internally. There is an extender available. It has learning (I think disabled with the extender.)

It's optimized for the Comcast DVR (by Motorola) and even has an 'OnDemand' key. It comes with the Cable button pre-programmed for that.

The RCA RCRP095B is a JP1.3 or I'd be on it like a duck on a junebug!

I did get the number wrong. For most end users, it's either JP1 or JP1.x as far as interfaces go.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 11:57 am    Post subject: Insignia 67100 added Reply with quote

Insignia 67100 added and a few more details

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 10:48 am    Post subject: Re: Insignia 67100 added Reply with quote

tranx wrote:
Insignia 67100 added and a few more details


How about adding backlight to your chart? That is a critical feature to me.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 12:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Insignia 67100 added Reply with quote

xnappo wrote:
tranx wrote:
Insignia 67100 added and a few more details


How about adding backlight to your chart? That is a critical feature to me.
xnappo

Thanks xnappo, backlight column added.

Reportedly Insignia 67100 "NS-RCO2U-10A" does have backlighting: http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=94475&sid=db7b75115fee0051368dd38b939b8cd7

My own 67100s are not backlit, and printed below the keys is "NS-RC01G-09", in the battery compartment: 67100BA1-003-R A093602



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks!
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Barf wrote:
I am quite satisfied with the 7781.
+: Excellent extender available (thanx to Graham)
-: If not using the extender, can be annoying to select device through the --> and <-- arrows
+: 13 devices (despite the name), "only" 12 if using the extender
+: many keys
-: not quite optimally arranged, in particular the transport keys
+: looks ok
-: .... unless you are sensitive for finger prints...
+: works fine with rechargeable AAA NiMH batteries
+: backlit
-: lcd display fairly useless (too small, only device selected, and clock).
-: power button wears out in 1-2 years (can be fixed)
+: clock

I got myself a 7781. It has a good haptic, nice button feeling. I agree with most of these points. Interesting that the extender will make switching devices via -> buttons easier. But more important problem is, that it doesn't have enough keys. Just to mention some usual functions of devices:
Eject, Repeat, Zoom, Time, Display, Audio, Program.
I know there's the convention to have eject on "Guide", but the printings on the remote could be more explanatory, for multi-use of buttons. Then I have some AV-Preamps with around 10 input selectors I don't know where to put those. Then in Europe only few devices are using the 4 color buttons, none of them uses ABCD buttons. So having my custom functions on the 4 colors + 4 ABCD brings too much headache even for me using lot of custom stuff, but never easy to use for other persons in the family Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Then I have some AV-Preamps with around 10 input selectors I don't know where to put those.
I typically don't put these on buttons that the user presses. I always set up "activity" buttons - for example, "Watch DVD"My macros that fire for these activities use the discrete input commands for any necessary device. I usually put the input discretes on shifted number buttons, since they are only used withing macros, never by the user.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gotta say - I with the progress being made on the Xsight remotes, Xsight Color is now my vote Very Happy

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