JP1 Remotes

Hi Guys,

I've been using some old Millenium 4 remotes for years now and I've been quite happy.

I decided to upgrade to some backlit Atlas OCAP 3033 Black remotes, battery compartment # 1056ABC1-BXX-001-XXXX-XXX-R and now I'm not so happy . . .

It had codes already for my tv and cable box. I'm trying to add the functions of a PC Media Center remote so I can run my home theater pc from it. This worked perfectly in my old Millenium 4s but it doesn't work at all in my new remotes.

I took the RemoteMaster file I made when I added this to the Millenium 4 remotes and opened it up and changed the remote from the Millenium 4 to the Atlas OCAP IRC-1056 JP1.3 (Black) remote type. I did a little touch up on where I wanted the buttons, and then went to the Output and cut it to the clip board. I noticed the Millenium 4s needed an upgrade protocol too but the Atlas supposedly does not need one and none is created.

I opened ir.exe and added the device in and selected it for my vcr code and programmed - every thing went fine.

When I go to use it it doesn't work at all.

I have an ir widget to read remote codes and when I use it to read the new Atlas remote mce upgrade it gives me a frequency of around 35900 (varies a bit either side) and the protocol is unkown.

It's like RemoteMaster is mistaken and this does need a protocol update.

Anyone have any ideas?

I love the layout of the remote and I love the back lighting, but if it wont do all the remotes I need it's a deal breaker!

Thanks!

Steve

Steve please post your RM file and post a link here. Like you said, RM thinks you don't need an upgrade, but that might not true. It might also help to have a Irscope summary report from the milenium, showing a few learns.

In cases like this, I always ask for ALL of the "guilty" files - including the IR file with the upgrade loaded - to try to cover all possible sources of trouble.

Wow! Thanks so much for the prompt replies!

Unfortunately I'm headed out for the evening. Tomorrow after work I'll get some files uploaded for you all to look at.

Again, thanks for the help!

Also . . . you gotta love that ir widget reader! If you're into JP1 stuff it's a must have!!!

Take care, back with ya tomorrow after work.

Steve

slr_65 wrote: It's like RemoteMaster is mistaken and this does need a protocol update.

Anyone have any ideas?

Quite likely you are spot on. We will know for sure once you upload your file, but we have been running into this issue where UEI started using a previously unused protocol ID that our community had hi-jacked.

[edit] If you want to jump ahead, just delete the protocol from the [Protocols] section of the RDF file - that should make RM provide the upgrade protocol.

xnappo

Hi Guys,

I just uploaded my files.

The ir file is at:
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... le_id=8341

The Remote Master file is at:
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... le_id=8342

Thanks!

Steve

The MCE protocol that is built in to the Atlas, requires 8 fixed bytes of data, this MCE upgrade that RM is creating has only 4 fixed bytes of data.

vickyg2003 wrote:The MCE protocol that is built in to the Atlas, requires 8 fixed bytes of data, this MCE upgrade that RM is creating has only 4 fixed bytes of data.

So short term he can delete the protocol from the RDF, but long term we have another conflict?

Thanks,
xnappo

Find the MCE protocol, 012a, in the protocols section of the RDF and change it to 012A:2

xnappo wrote:

slr_65 wrote: It's like RemoteMaster is mistaken and this does need a protocol update.

Anyone have any ideas?

Quite likely you are spot on. We will know for sure once you upload your file, but we have been running into this issue where UEI started using a previously unused protocol ID that our community had hi-jacked.

[edit] If you want to jump ahead, just delete the protocol from the [Protocols] section of the RDF file - that should make RM provide the upgrade protocol.

xnappo

Hi Xnappo,

I had no idea how to do this, but that's never stopped me!

OK for future readers of this thread . . .

*) I opened up the RemoteMaster file I had made for my Millenium 4 remotes and I noted the protocol id (012a in this case)

*) I went to the directory RemoteMaster Keeps it's rdf files in and located the appropriate rdf file.

*) I made a copy of it and placed it in another directory.

*) I changed the extension from .rdf to .txt and opened it with notepad. It opened right up and the stuff is in plain text in the file.

*) I located the 012A in the protocol list and deleted it and then saved the file.

*) I renamed the file to .rdf again.

*) I went back to the directory RemoteMaster keeps it's rdf files in and I renamed the file to a .bak extension.

*) I copied my modified rdf file back into the directory.

*) I pulled up RemoteMaster and changed the remote to an Atlas 1056 Black.

*) I took a look at the output and now it had the upgrade protocol info!

From this point on it was like any other upgrade, I just loaded the data into IR.exe and upgraded the protocol and it's working like a charm now!

THANKS GUYS!!!

Steve

xnappo wrote:

vickyg2003 wrote:The MCE protocol that is built in to the Atlas, requires 8 fixed bytes of data, this MCE upgrade that RM is creating has only 4 fixed bytes of data.

So short term he can delete the protocol from the RDF, but long term we have another conflict?

Thanks,
xnappo

Just one of the reasons your job is so important Chris. Its an RDF problem. I can't wait for the new release!

vickyg2003 wrote:

xnappo wrote:

vickyg2003 wrote:The MCE protocol that is built in to the Atlas, requires 8 fixed bytes of data, this MCE upgrade that RM is creating has only 4 fixed bytes of data.

So short term he can delete the protocol from the RDF, but long term we have another conflict?

Thanks,
xnappo

Just one of the reasons your job is so important Chris. Its an RDF problem. I can't wait for the new release!

Yes, but I don't think we have really decided how to fix this? Or is this a different issue from when we have hijacked a protocol? IE UEI themselves have defined two different protocols one using 8 bytes and one using 4, but kept the same protocol number?

If the latter is the case, will your checker/fixer will fix those?

Thanks!
xnappo

OK, what should I do?

I just deleted the protocol and then added it in in ir and it's working fine.

Should I leave it alone (if it's not broke . . .) or should I backup and do the :2 fix?

Thanks!

Steve

Steve the way you did it uses upgrade area that you don't need to use. If this isn't an issue for you, you can leave it be.

xnappo wrote:
Yes, but I don't think we have really decided how to fix this? Or is this a different issue from when we have hijacked a protocol? IE UEI themselves have defined two different protocols one using 8 bytes and one using 4, but kept the same protocol number?

This is typical of the protocol variant issue. The older remotes don't have a MCE protocol, so we provide our smaller more efficient executor. When its built in, we want to use the built in version to save upgrade area.

If the latter is the case, will your checker/fixer will fix those?

Yep, I had to run the checker to find out what its supposed to be.