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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eitnot wrote:
Well I am now getting a response. The problems I have now include:

When navigating the menus it sometimes misses a button press for example you have to press right twice sometimes.

For a short PS press you have to hold it in for a couple seconds before it registers.

The long PS button press seems to have to be held a long time before it activates.


I updated the protocol to have less of a pause before the long press starts up,
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=11513

If you don't want to start over, you can import the new protocol

From the
Advanced Menu->Edit Protocol
Click on the Import Protocol Upgrade
Paste the upgrade

Code:
Upgrade protocol 0 = 00 66 (S3F80) Manual Settings (RM v2.02 Beta 1.5u+13)
 42 89 12 8B 12 E5 44 04 08 00 C8 00 EB 00 C8 01
 D6 A8 8E 07 C3 08 B1 E4 05 06 E4 04 05 B6 05 FF
 E4 06 0D A6 0D 00 6B 02 8B 18 F6 01 46 E4 19 29
 C6 C0 01 01 F6 01 0D F6 01 0A FD FF 48 00 29 ED
 FF 30 E6 29 45 8D 01 46 AF
End

Line FF33 should now say
FF30 C6 C0 01 01 L2: LDW RRC0, #0101H

Click Ok

To fix the rest of the holds, I would suggest you change the second byte of the hex from "00" to "02" to get them to repeat. See if that improves your missed keys.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PS button is a lot faster now. I'm not sure what you're telling me to change to change the hex from 00 to 02.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never mind I see it now. 02 was making it do double presses so I changed it to 01 for Left Right Up and Down and everything seems to be working now. Thanks so much for all your help.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great. Glad it worked

NOTE to self:
The second byte of this protocol contains the number of repeats.
0 repeats is unreliable for some users,
2 repeats gives you a double keypress,
1 repeat gives you reliability

Sometimes repeating is desirable, so a delay is there before full blown repeating starts.

At least 2 users have found the delay before repeating to be too long, and that can be remedied by changing the timing value. For s3f8 remotes that meant changing line FF30
FF30 LDW RRC0 01F6h
FF30 LDW RRC0 0101h

Remotemaster through version 2.02 doesn't like this protocol so RM users should use the RDMU version,
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hate to bug you again but do you know if this will work with the Atlas 1056B01. I was not able to get it to work with this remote but even trying to learn the signals does not work so I thought maybe the remote cannot support the weird protocol that is being used.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, this will work in the 1056B01 Atlas. The Atlas and the RCA use the same protocol version. So look at the protcol that you are copying and see if something went wrong

I suspect that when you changed from the RCA to the Atlas, you hit one of the remotes in between that are not supported. Then when you did get the right one the protocol got corrupted.

But there are other things that might have gone wrong too.

Open two instances of IR. One with the RCA image and one with the Atlas image.

Compare
the Hex value for the #1,
the fixed data.

If they are the same move on to the protcol.

Make sure they are the same length. The corrupted versions are shorter.

Let me know if you find your problem, otherwise post the Atlas IR file and I will eyeball it. I sure wish I had my cable here.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I started over with the original RMDU file you sent me for the RCA remote and changed it over to the Atlas 1056 Extender 2.13 not sure what is wrong. I've also tried this on the non extended version of Atlas too with no luck. I uploaded the IR file here

http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=11514
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, Normally the answer to something like this is obvious.

I origninally worked on this on the Atlas 1056bx1.

I see that the PS3 upgrade is Cable 2001.
I see that this is the ONLY Cable 2001 upgrade.
I see that the IR buttons have the same hex as the upgrade.
I see that the protcol has the same hex as the origina KM upgrade except the 0101h that we put in the delay part.
I see that this is the ONLY Protocol 66 in the upgrade area.
I see that Cable 2001 is assigned to both the DVD and the AUX
I checked your device selection macros and they look good.
I checked to see if you had any keymoves trumping your macros, and you don't.
I checked to make sure the extender was in place in the Raw Data, and it is.


So basically this covers all the usual suspects. I'm hoping someone else will have a look and see what I'm missing.

Are the rest of the devices working after the DVD and VCR buttons fail?

If the remote is not working for the rest, you might want to download a copy of what is not working, to make sure the remote didn't reset itself after encountering a problem.


If you post your unextended version, I'll be happy to look at that when I get back home in December 10th.

I don't use/test JP1.3 extenders, because it gets too confusing trying to know which remotes have been extended and which extender it is loaded with. (As an example, I am sitting here with no remotes for my exercise room, because I redid the configuration just before I left, and inadvertantly stuck that remote into my travel kit, and left one of my bench remotes in its place. Doh!)

On a chance you might want to replace your existing pid 66 in your IR file with this protocol.

Upgrade Protocol 0 = 00 66 (S3C8+) Custom Protocol for Cable/2001 ps3 Bluetooth with var Hold (KM v9.22)
42 89 12 8B 12 E5 44 04 08 00 C8 00 EB 00 C8 01
D6 A8 8E 07 C3 08 B1 E4 05 06 E4 04 05 B6 05 FF
E4 06 0D A6 0D 00 6B 02 8B 18 F6 01 46 E4 19 29
C6 C0 01 21 F6 01 0D F6 01 0A FD FF 48 00 29 ED
FF 30 E6 29 45 8D 01 46 AF
End

It has a slightly longer delay.



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You have a lot of unused device codes. You should really clean those up.

You should also read about temporary device selection (X_TV, X_CBL....X_Cancel) Your keymoves are obviously great for an unextended remote, but for an extender with temporary device selection you can simplify this.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is where I got this morning before I had to head to work. I have two Atlas 1056 B01 remotes

Atlas 1056B01 No Backlight extended. This is the one I sent the IR file for.
Atlas 1056B01 W/ Backlight non-extended.

I redid the non-extended one this morning and it started to work. This evening when I get home I'm going to try removing the extender on the non backlight one to see if I can get it to work.

Just to note all other devices did work on the extended one just the PS3 adapter wasn't responding.

The only thing I think I would miss from the extender is that feature where if you hold a macro button down it continues to do the last signal in the macro.

I'll let you know what I come up with. I posted the working IR file for the non extended remote here in case you want to see it.

http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=11515
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doh! On the extender change the repeats in the hex to be 1. I'll bet that is the problem.

Eitnot wrote:
The only thing I think I would miss from the extender is that feature where if you hold a macro button down it continues to do the last signal in the macro.

That's because you are not really USING the extender. It can do so many really cool things!!!!! The extender forum used to be pretty active, but for some reason it has just dried up. All the people that end up being addicted to this site use exenders. I've been writing up some how-to examples of using an extender to hopefully drum up some interest.

I know that my first attempts at using an extender looked something like yours. I was happy as a clam. But I wanted those features for my favorite remote. So I got involved in writing a modern extender for an old 7800 remote. Then ElizabethD, gave me a test file, and the lightbulb just went off! Wow! Extenders really let you make your remote into a user friendly remote.

It is really HARD to explain what an extender can do, because everybody has different needs. Trying to find simple real life examples of things that other people can relate to are difficult since nobody has the same equipement.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vickyg2003 wrote:

That's because you are not really USING the extender. It can do so many really cool things!!!!! The extender forum used to be pretty active, but for some reason it has just dried up. All the people that end up being addicted to this site use exenders. I've been writing up some how-to examples of using an extender to hopefully drum up some interest.

I know that my first attempts at using an extender looked something like yours. I was happy as a clam. But I wanted those features for my favorite remote. So I got involved in writing a modern extender for an old 7800 remote. Then ElizabethD, gave me a test file, and the lightbulb just went off! Wow! Extenders really let you make your remote into a user friendly remote.

It is really HARD to explain what an extender can do, because everybody has different needs. Trying to find simple real life examples of things that other people can relate to are difficult since nobody has the same equipement.


I can give a quick rundown of with vs without extender...

My wife ended up preferring the newer OARI06G remote which we don't yet have an extender for...so I got to experience the pain of not having the extender as compared to my RCA RCRP05BR and URC-7781. Here's the stuff I miss:

  • Macros are slower without the extender, so you have to be more disciplined in continuing to point the remote at the sensor.
  • I can't macro all keys or can macro them but it doesn't disable their default function. Some buttons are just left completely unusable.
  • I can't nest macros (I like to make like my turn X, Y, and Z on as a macro on a phantom button and then just nest that into my macros for startup and input selection).
  • I can't use LKP to boost the number of functions easily accessible. (With extender, I use a lot of LKP to trigger big actions like input-switching macros.)
  • I have limited ability to map different buttons to different devices without the Home Theater feature of the extenders, so I have to use lots and lots of Key Moves to replicate as much as I can. The setup is SO MUCH EASIER with an extender's HT feature.
  • Without temporary device selection from an extender, I have to be a lot more careful with Macros or use lots of Key Moves to avoid changing out of the device/activity/whatever that is currently active.
  • I don't have access to as many phantom buttons without the extender, and I lose the ability to hide extra functions on obscure buttons with XShift as well.
  • Without device multiplexer, I can't stack extra devices into the remote beyond its normal number of devices. For example, I have two DirecTV boxes so it's very natural for them to both end up on the DVR button. With my extended remote, if you LKP the TV button, then all the inputs change to DirecTV 1 and the DVR device is assigned to the first DirecTV...if you LKP the DVR button, then everything changes to DirecTV 2. Without the extender, I have to use two of the precious device slots since the DirecTV has too many buttons to just map them in with Key Moves. For the unextended, I actually don't have my TV on a device and use Key Moves to bring in power on/off, volume up/down, and mute since those are the only functions I need, but that means I have to go OEM to use its menu or anything. =(
  • I'm forced to do a lot more with Key Moves, but unextended remotes tend not to have as much room for them. =(


Basically, extender good...no extender sad. =(
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So I tried changing the hex to 1 still did not work. So then I disabled the extender and installed the non extender version still not working. Then I moved the programming cable to backlit version and re-uploaded just to verify and it still works on the backlit version of the Atlas 1056B01 remote. But if I use the same IR file on the non backlit version that remote will not operate the PS3. All the other devices TV, Cable, and audio receiver still works.

Is there a factory reset I should try or something?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is out of my league. I can diagnose protocol problems and user setup errors, but I'm not an Atlas specialist.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found that I can enter a learned signal from the RCA remote into the Learned signal tab of the IR file for atlas and the remote will be able to send that command. The only problem is I get some double presses while navigating the menu. Is it possible for me to put the commands in as learned signals without the double press issue?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eitnot wrote:
So I tried changing the hex to 1 still did not work. So then I disabled the extender and installed the non extender version still not working. Then I moved the programming cable to backlit version and re-uploaded just to verify and it still works on the backlit version of the Atlas 1056B01 remote. But if I use the same IR file on the non backlit version that remote will not operate the PS3. All the other devices TV, Cable, and audio receiver still works.

Is there a factory reset I should try or something?

A reset is not going to be able to fix this problem.

Just a question for you, did you do any pacthing to this remote? And if you did, did you save it off, so we can tell if you applied the correct patch? Because what is happening here is not logical.

A long time ago someone pointed me to the learn format, but I don't know where the post is.
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