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mdavej · Expert Joined: 08 Oct 2003 Posts: 4583

Maybe it doesn't matter, but the correct way to move an EFC from Dev2 on Dev1 is:
[Setup] [994] [Dev2] [Setup] [EFC#] [Dev1] [assigned key]

Regardless, why are you doing manual keymoves on the remote? You can just add them in RMIR. And when you say "crashes", what happens exactly? Does the remote reset itself?

SysTech_Larry · Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2024 12:37 pm Post subject:

I was explaining my previous experience with key moves on the Charter URC.

The sequence given in the previous post works on the 3660.
I just tried your sequence and it did not even generate the correct OBC.
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SysTech_Larry · Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2024 12:51 pm Post subject:

The Robman · Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2024 12:54 pm Post subject:

All three TV setup codes that you've mentioned all use the standard NEC1 protocol, so all should not present any problems for keymoves:
TV/1864=NEC1 132.224
TV/1944=NEC1 135.34
TV/1963=NEC1 135.34

If you want to do something like, have the device button set to one setup code (like TV/1864) but have some keymoves from another setup code (like TV/1963), and you're doing this on the remote itself rather than RMIR, the easiest way to do it is:
1. program the device button to TV/1963
2. program the TV/1963 keymoves (ie, [Setup] [994] [Setup] [EFC#] [key] )
3. re-program the device button to TV/1864

If the setup code or upgrade assigned to the device button is a combo, you can't do "EFC" style keymoves but you can do "key" style keymoves.
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SysTech_Larry · Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2024 1:06 pm Post subject:

Doing that on the Charter, the OBC remains, but its protocol changes to the new setup code.

Good to know about combo/EFC moves.
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The Robman · Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2024 4:24 pm Post subject:

SysTech_Larry · Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2024 11:04 pm Post subject:

By protocol, I mean device & subdevice nos.
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SysTech_Larry · Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2024 1:30 am Post subject:

The Robman · Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2024 8:17 am Post subject:

That's good, all I'm missing is a cross-reference between the Charter keymoves and the 3660 learns.

The Charter keymoves are on the following buttons:
guide
dvr
source
pip ch+
pip ch-
rec
replay
pip on/off
last
aspect
page-
page+
menu

And the 3660 learns are on the following buttons:
1
2
3
4
5
7
6
Red
Green
Yellow
Blue
App1
App2
App3
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SysTech_Larry · Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2024 3:27 pm Post subject:

That is where I put the output results.

The details are in the 3660 user notes.
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The Robman · Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2024 3:48 pm Post subject:

The Robman · Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2024 4:05 pm Post subject:

This appears to be the summary of what you did:

The dev 69 entries originated with keymoves from DVD/0503 and they were unaffected by the change. How did you program those keymoves? Did you use a different method than what you used with the problematic ones?
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SysTech_Larry · Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2024 4:52 pm Post subject:

Internal key moves,
[AUX] [Setup] [994] [Key1] [Key2]

Internal EFC moves,
[AUX] [Setup] [994] [Setup] [EFC#] [Key]

External key moves,
[DVD] [Setup] [994] [Key1] [AUX] [Key2]

External EFC moves,
[DVD] [Setup] [994] [Setup] [EFC#] [AUX] [Key]
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The Robman · Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2024 6:55 pm Post subject:

I have no idea why your "internal" keymoves don't survive a setup code change, as they would on any other remote, but given your results, try something like this:

1. program AUX to TV/1864
2. temporarily program DVD to TV/1963
3. do external keymoves (EFC or key) from DVD to AUX
4. re-program DVD to DVD/0503

see if that works. maybe test the keymoves before step 4, just in case that ends up breaking them
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SysTech_Larry · Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2024 12:15 am Post subject:

In manual programming, the Charter won't let you change the device types of the CBL, TV or DVD buttons. AUX seems to accept all three device types, though. (The failure that I sent you is the same if did it at the TV button, rather than the AUX button.)

We no longer need to resolve the manual programming bugs on the Charter, since single & combo device upgrades are working.

You said that each function has four bytes, Dev, Subdev OBC & Hex. The Charter appears to only be storing the last two bytes of EFCs and letting the setup code (or external key move) determine the first two bytes.

Until I moved over to the 3660, this was my workaround for TV-1963,...
https://www.remotecentral.com/cgi-bin/mboard/rc-discrete/thread.cgi?8278

Also, two of the formats my detector reports are 6122 & 6122A. I noticed that on all but one of the 6122s, the Dev# & Subdev# are complementary, where those of the 6122As are not. Is that what you were talking about earlier?
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