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The Robman · Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 3:22 pm Post subject:

Yes, I'd be happy to. First, some background knowledge, with NEC signals, there's a difference between leaving the sub-device blank and entering a zero, because when an NEC sub-device is blank what it really means is, the sub-device is the complement of the device code.

So, when I opened your RMIR file, I clicked EDIT on the #6 upgrade to look at it and I noticed that all the functions were using either 122.255 or 126.255 as the device code (where 255 is the sub-device code). I'm not aware of any devices that use those codes, but I do know devices that use 122 and 126 (is this a Yamaha?). So, on the Setup tab, I deleted all the 255 entries and left them blank.

I think the root cause lies with the fact that the original upgrade was added via EZ-RC rather than via RMIR and RM.
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tajvdz · Joined: 09 Feb 2020 Posts: 58

yes the receiver is a Yamaha and I did the setup with EZ-RC or I used the keycodes I got from One For All. The CD / DVD player is also a Yamaha and that one still works. So it went wrong after I edited the 2 buttons and uploaded to the remote again? I did another upload before but I only edited a button in the main menu of the remote and not a device itself.

The Robman · Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:24 pm Post subject:

If you use the new RMIR file as a starting point going forward, you should be ok.
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tajvdz · Joined: 09 Feb 2020 Posts: 58

yes I will, I deleted the other files.

But did this happen because I downloaded and uploaded from the device or because I changed something or the receiver?

Thank you very much again!

The Robman · Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:36 pm Post subject:

In order to say for certain what happened, I would need to see a raw download of the data in your remote before you changed anything, which obviously isn't possible now. But bottom line, it looks like RMIR misread the blank sub-device codes as hex zero, which translates to 255 in decimal. So when you reloaded the remote, that's what you sent into it and that one device stopped working.
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The Robman · Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:30 pm Post subject:

But while I have you here, I am interested to know more about that Ziggo Mediabox XL that you have programmed into this remote, because it uses an protocol that we haven't come across before.

Do you still have the original remote for this box? If so, would you be willing to learn a few of the buttons for me, just so I can see what the signal really looks like? Plus, if there are any functions on the original remote that are not included in the upgrade, include those buttons with the learns and I'll add them to the upgrade.

Reading the assembler it looks like it has a midframe burst and it looks like the 2nd byte of the function hex code is a checksum. I can come up formula for 5 of the 8 bits.

EDIT: Nevermind, it turns out we did see this one a long time ago here:
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14220
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tajvdz · Joined: 09 Feb 2020 Posts: 58

The Mediabox XL is also called Horizon. The Original remote is a bit strange. It seems like that it has most functions in IR but some are also RF. I came with a solution to create a macro function for these. It works but it is anoying.

The Robman · Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:46 am Post subject:

From what I've read, the original remote is RF but the device also supports IR, so folks had to search for the IR commands as they couldn't learn them from the OEM remote. If there are remote functions that are not included in the upgrade that you downloaded, I could create some dummy upgrades that have all of the missing OBCs in them so you could test to see if they do anything.
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tajvdz · Joined: 09 Feb 2020 Posts: 58

The Robman · Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:41 pm Post subject:

The Robman · Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:04 pm Post subject:

Here is an RMIR file with 5 dummy upgrades included. To run the tests, load this into your remote and then try each of the 5 devices, test each button included. If any of them do anything, make a note of which test device it was, which button is was, and what it did.

http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=25864
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tajvdz · Joined: 09 Feb 2020 Posts: 58

ok, I will try and let you know!

The Robman · Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:17 am Post subject:

I gather that the way you're fudging a GUIDE button is to make a macro of MENU and SELECT. With that in mind, I've tried crafting a learned signal that would replicate that, so if the search comes up empty, try adding this Pronto hex as a learned signal and see if that replicates GUIDE better than using a macro. It's possible that I may need to increase the time delay between the two halves of the signal, so let me know if it works and if needed, I'll tweak it.

option 1
0000 006C 004E 0000 00AB 00AC 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0039 0013 0039 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0039 0013 0013 0013 0039 0013 0013 0013 0039 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 00AC 0013 0013 0013 0039 0013 0013 0013 0039 0013 0039 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0039 0013 0013 0013 0039 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0039 0013 0039 0013 0039 0013 0039 0013 083E 00AB 00AC 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0039 0013 0039 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0039 0013 0013 0013 0039 0013 0013 0013 0039 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 00AC 0013 0013 0013 0039 0013 0013 0013 0039 0013 0039 0013 0039 0013 0039 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0039 0013 0013 0013 0039 0013 0039 0013 0013 0013 0039 0013 0013 0013 0039 0013 0039 0013 0039 0013 07CC

option 2
0000 006C 0027 0027 00AB 00AC 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0039 0013 0039 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0039 0013 0013 0013 0039 0013 0013 0013 0039 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 00AC 0013 0013 0013 0039 0013 0013 0013 0039 0013 0039 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0039 0013 0013 0013 0039 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0039 0013 0039 0013 0039 0013 0039 0013 083E 00AB 00AC 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0039 0013 0039 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0039 0013 0013 0013 0039 0013 0013 0013 0039 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 00AC 0013 0013 0013 0039 0013 0013 0013 0039 0013 0039 0013 0039 0013 0039 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0039 0013 0013 0013 0039 0013 0039 0013 0013 0013 0039 0013 0013 0013 0039 0013 0039 0013 0039 0013 07CC
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tajvdz · Joined: 09 Feb 2020 Posts: 58

yes that is how I made the buttons. Guide was one of them. Also Return to TV, Help, On Demand and DVR. I'm not sure about Info and Tekst but I think these were IR also. Where do I have to put the codes for the 2 options? By the way I didn't have time to test the RMIR file you sent me. Do I have to put the 2 options in there?

It would be nice if also DVR and Back to TV work better on the Xsight. I use these a lot. On Demand and Help not that much..