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freebase wrote:The warning I get is:
The signature in the remote is different from the signature you are attempting to write. This indicates that the data you are trying to write may have come from an incompatible remote. Copying the entire contents of one remote to another can only be done safely if both remotes are identical. Are you sure you want to do this?
The remote type listed in the IR file is a URC-881z/801x/601x.
That's the wrong file, that's the one I was using to test it, you should have been using the file with the name that starts 6800-. I've deleted the 8811 file from the current zip. To eliminate the chance of user error along the way, could you try the IR files in the zip without changing them in any way.
freebase wrote:I don't think we can use the name "Xbox". There is already an upgrade in the DVD section of yahoo with that name and it is NOT compatible with the version of the remote I have. The one already posted is probably the official one sold by Microsoft. Mine is definately not a Microsoft one.
The file in the file section uses the RCA protocol and as we already know, RCA either makes a version of the Xbox or at least puts their name on it. This is the one that matches the standard RCA DVD/0522 code.
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Post by freebase »

Hi Rob,

I tried 6800_IR_Rob.IR it behaved the same as the upgrade I modified with KM - only a couple of the keys worked (see previous list). I also tried 6800_IR_Rob2.IR - nothing worked on that one.

I've spent the morning doing research on how to identify my remote. I've found quite a few Xbox remotes on ebay - I've downloaded the best pictures (both out-of-box and in-box). I've put a fle called XboxRemotes-pictures.zip in the diagnosis area. It includes all the pictures. I gave each of them a name which we could maybe associate with actual codes later on. It's amazing how many there are!

My remote is pictured - it is called Xbox-Clone. Perhaps we could change the name of the existing upgrade already posted to the files area to Xbox-Microsoft or something...

I'm assuming I'll receive a new upgrade from you later tonight that I might try?

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Post by jon_armstrong »

I just tested Rob's upgrade and it looks identical to the signals that were working. Here is my file for a 7800/6800 that you can load into your 6800 with IR. (I guess I have IR5.0. Where did you find 5.04 that you mentioned earlier?)

BTW, it is on the DVD device key DVD/2000.
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Post by freebase »

Thanks Jon, but your upgrade didn't work either - just two or three of the buttons worked (same as Rob's last one).

I uploaded the last working upgrade (6800_IR_file.IR) to the diagnosis area in case you guys lost track of what was the working stuff. That file works flawlessly - except that it is spread across two device keys.

There is no IR 5.04 - there have just been four or so versions of 5.00. For instance, the recent 5.00 version in the tools section supports the IR file format, but the older 5.00 in the main files section doesn't support the IR format and still tries to rewrite the .txt file into the new format (which was causing me troubles and keeping me from upgrading to it).

In terms of the pictures of the remotes... My remote looks very similar to the real Microsoft remote (size and layout is the same). The way mine differs is that it does not have any of the DVD logos imbedded in the case molding, mine has darker green lettering that is difficult to read, and my arrow keys are not triangles but slightly concave. I must admit I am really looking forward to using the 6800 to control the Xbox because it has much better range than my original remote (aiming is important with the original).

My advice to anyone buying a DVD remote for the Xbox is to identify the real one on ebay and buy it - it is only a couple more bucks than the clones.

Let me know how we should proceed! (I'm going to try looking at the difference between the old working upgrade and the new ones I've been receiving later tonight.)
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Post by jon_armstrong »

Rob, It looks like the Parity Bit is not calculating correctly most of the time. Here is a comparison of what shuld be (correct) and what I measured (actual) this is the last 9-bits of the commands:

Correct 10000001 1 Actual 10000001 1 1
Correct 10000010 0 Actual 10000010 1 2
Correct 10000011 1 Actual 10000011 0 3
Correct 10000100 1 Actual 10000100 1 4
Correct 10000101 0 Actual 10000101 0 5
Correct 10000110 1 Actual 10000110 0 6
Correct 10000111 0 Actual 10000111 1 7
Correct 10001000 0 Actual 10001000 1 8
Correct 10001001 1 Actual 10001001 0 9
Correct 01000010 1 Actual 01000010 1 tv/vid
Correct 00100001 0 Actual 00100001 1 rew
Correct 00100010 0 Actual 00100010 1 play
Correct 00100011 1 Actual 00100011 0 FF
Correct 00100110 1 Actual 00100110 0 pause
Correct 00100101 0 Actual 00100101 0 stop

1, 4, and Macro2 (TV/Vid) seem correct
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Post by The Robman »

I checked all the numeric buttons last night and they all seemed good, I'll try and spend some time on it this weekend.
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Post by The Robman »

OK guys, I see what's going on. When I was debugging this, I fixed the protocol in my IR file, but I never transferred the fixed code over to the KM file. If you go into edit mode on the protocol code, change the 7th byte from the end from "1A" to "0A", that should fix it.

You would need to make that change also to version2. There was a second bug in the version2 code, to fix that you would change the 5th byte from the end from "39" to "29".

I have applied all these fixed to the files in my zip file. I have done some preliminary testing using version2 and it appears to work.

As for naming this thing, I've some around to agreeing that we shouldn't call it "Xbox". I kept thinking that this remote was directly controlling the Xbox itself, but that isn't the case. For those of you not familiar with Xbox (which includes me), the box itself is NOT IR controllable. Microsoft sells a remote kit which includes a remote and an attachment that connects to the Xbox itself. The remote talks to the attachment, which converts the IR signals into something the Xbox understands, so the IR protocol belongs to the remote and it's attachment rather than to the Xbox device.

So, until we find other devices that use this protocol, the best I can suggest for a name is "Xbox Clone".
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Post by freebase »

B I N G O !!

I tried the v2 IR file - all the buttons are there and working perfectly!

Thank you both so much!

I'll fix it up slightly (copy the select to the enter, etc.). I'll post it into the devices area as Xbox-Clone.

I will take all of those pictures I have of Xbox remotes and put them into a Word document with suggested names. I will describe why they might each have different codes, etc. I'll post that doc to the devices area as well.

Could someone rename the current Xbox.txt file to Xbox-Microsoft.txt since I suspect it contains the codes for the real Microsoft remote?

Thanks again!

Gordon
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Post by ncnmra »

Hi Guys,

Just want to complement you on your amazing work! I've been using a JP1 remote and loving it thanks to the great programs like KM and IR.

I thought I'd add to this thread and post that I also bought the SAME remote off ebay. freebase is correct that it is really "No Name". The packaging contains a simple cardboard insert with "XBOX DVD Remote Control" printed on it. The only usable reference is "Model PG-8012" in the bottom corner.

It appears to be made in the far east (considering the amusing text):
"Caution: get the batteries away if you do not use the remote control for long time"

Anyways, if you want to make reference to "Model PG-8012", it might be of benefit!

It was very interesting to read the entire thread!

Great job guys! Truly impressive and humbling.
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