need clever tricks for saving space with Atlas 1k extender.

[Capn Trips]

Luckily for me I discovered I don't need toadtog because my cable box can power on with any number key, and my DVD player can power on with the play button.

Uhh.. dopey me. These are standard Toad workarounds that I should have suggested at the outset, but you still needed the keymove space, so I'm glad I could help.

[Capn Trips]

Anyway, if you want to have a look Trips, and let me know if there's anything I can do more efficiently/logically/cleanly, I'd appreciate it. And thanks again for all your help. The reconfiguration of the device and power macros you gave me were exactly the kind of clever tricks I was looking for.

Nice clean file. The only observation I would make - and this is not a criticism, but simply alerting you to a sometimes unknown/unappreciated fact - if you have ANY function assigned to ANY digit key in an upgrade, the upgrade will fill in zeroes for all digits for which you have NOT entered any functions, taking up as much space in the upgrade as if you DID enter functions for each digit. I don't know why, it just "IS". It's either ALL the digits, or NONE.

So if you look at your ONKYO upgrade in IR's Device tab, you will see that 0, 7 and 8 have codes "00 00" assigned (taking up upgrade memory space), whilst OTHER buttons with no assigned functions (Power, Menu, Play, etc.) have "not mapped" listed. This means that it would
(a) cost you nothing in memory to assign three additional functions to those three digits; or
(b) be more efficient to assign the seven input functions to OTHER unassigned buttons rather than digits.

Since you now have more than enough memory of BOTH kinds, it really doesn't matter, but that's why I went after the digits in the first place (when modifying your Onkyo KM upgrade) when we were trying to squeeze more memory out of your upgrade section. Deleting those four or five (I forget how many you had) input functions from the digit buttons freed the equivalent of TEN buttons of assignments from the upgrade.

[The Robman]

if you have ANY function assigned to ANY digit key in an upgrade, the upgrade will fill in zeroes for all digits for which you have NOT entered any functions, taking up as much space in the upgrade as if you DID enter functions for each digit. I don't know why, it just "IS". It's either ALL the digits, or NONE.

This is also true of the 3 volume buttons and the 2 channel buttons. The reason for it is this. Each button on the remote has a corresponding bit in the "keymap" bytes. When this bit is set, it means there's a code assigned to the button, when this bit is clear it means there isn't a code assigned to the button. However, the buttons previously mentioned are the exception to this rule as there is just one bit that controls all 10 numeric buttons, and another bit that controls the 3 volume buttons and one more bit that controls the 2 channel buttons. The thinking obviously was that if you need 1 numeric button, you need them all, etc therefore it would use less memory overall to only have 1 bit controlling them rather than 10 bits.

There's another memory saving feature that's built into most JP1 remotes regarding the numeric buttons. If the codes assigned to the numeric buttons match an entry in the remote's built in digits table, KM and RM will delete all 10 bytes of code used to define the numeric buttons and will update the 2nd byte of the upgrade to point to the digits entry.

To try this out, try setting up an upgrade that uses 1-byte commands and then assign OBCs 0 thru 8 to the 0 thru 0 buttons, then make a note of how big the upgrade is. Then assign OBC 9 to the '9' button and see if the upgrade shrinks!