URC-8820/108020 VS RCRP05B + some other questions

Post by **vickyg2003** » Thu Jul 01, 2010 6:36 am

I bought 1 kameleon when unclemiltie was tutoring me on extender writing, and I can say that the kameleons have a certain "cool factor" that wears off after about an hour, and then you've got a remote that has you paging through screens to get to the function you want. Give me a hard button remote any day!

embrion · Post by **embrion** » Thu Jul 01, 2010 7:21 am

Look what I've found on ebay.

I'm wondering if it's normal JP1 or chinese one

http://cgi.ebay.com/230463775124

Btw. why for example URC-8910 doesn't have all the keys in circles in RemoteMaster? They're unavailable or something?

Post by **vickyg2003** » Thu Jul 01, 2010 7:30 am

The original 8910 was a JP1 EEProm remote. It takes a different kind of cable than the other two you are considering.

Ebay 8910 Discussion

As to why some of the buttons are circled, you'll find if you change device types, different buttons will be circled. Different devices have different keys available when creating an upgrade.

embrion · Post by **embrion** » Thu Jul 01, 2010 7:36 am

Yes yes, I know about interface differences, I'm just wondering if this remote is true clone or just fake look-a-like.

You were right about different buttons circled in different devices but some of the keys are never circled no matter which device type I choose.
Oh and just in case. Does it mean that in different profile/device type I won't be able to use some of keys or if I want, I can choose all of them no matter which device button I press ?

Post by **vickyg2003** » Thu Jul 01, 2010 7:49 am

embrion wrote:Yes yes, I know about interface differences, I'm just wondering if this remote is true clone or just fake look-a-like.

You might want to contact some of the people that bought one to see if they compare.

You were right about different buttons circled in different devices but some of the keys are never circled no matter which device type I choose.

Yes some of the buttons like M1, M2, M3, L1, L2, L3, L4 are never a part of a setup code as these were reserved for user's functions.

Oh and just in case. Does it mean that in different profile/device type I won't be able to use some of keys or if I want, I can choose all of them no matter which device button I press ?

You can use those buttons to hold keymoves, macros, learns and such, they just can't be used to create an upgrade.

Before you changed your focus to the 8910 with the dreaded donut ring, I took a picture of my Atlas,10820, RCA and 8820 side by side so you could see how they compare. Had I known you were thinking of an 8910, I would have thrown one of those in too, but again I don't have any with the donut ring.

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embrion · Post by **embrion** » Thu Jul 01, 2010 8:00 am

Looks like the one from eBay is clone so I could take it as well

Thanks for clarification on those buttons. What does it mean to create an upgrade. I thought it is like "take whatever button you want and assign it action or macro/keymove". Also, does it mean if I want to use a key in macro, it must be assigned to another key? (so macro consists of key presses not key codes send)
Thank you for the picture, it will really help me a lot

mdavej · Post by **mdavej** » Thu Jul 01, 2010 8:29 am

An upgrade is a new device that you add that's not built-in to the remote. Since the 8910 code database is so old, most of your devices will be upgrades (i.e., files downloaded from this site or built by you). Don't worry about buttons that can't be in upgrades. It's a technical detail that doesn't really affect you. The software will create the keymoves for you automatically if they can't be in an upgrade. The end result is you can still put any function on any button.

As for the cool Euro models, I was thinking about the URC-7556 Digital 5 and similar:

EDIT: Anybody know why the device buttons for this remote aren't in the map?

Post by **The Robman** » Thu Jul 01, 2010 8:29 am

When you use a JP1 cable you have the ability to add new setup codes to the remote, that's the main purpose of JP1. So, rather than patch up a built-in setup code using keymoves or learning, you would compile all of the codes into a single upgrade and add it to the remote's memory. If you look in the file section here (link at the top of every page) you'll see that we have thousands of user-made upgrades.

When a macro runs, it ignores any macros on the buttons that are used in the macro, so you could, for example, program a macro to the MENU button and you could include the MENU button as a step in that macro, if you want.

The URC-8910 remote that you found on ebay is not a clone, it is a real "One For All" URC-8910 remote. However, it is one of the early models that have what we call the "donut ring". If you look at the picture, right below the black POWER button you'll see a ring with arrows printed on it, this is the "donut ring". Later models had individual arrow buttons because users did not like the ring.

If you intend to get a mixture of JP1.x "Flash" remotes (like the URC-8820, etc) and JP1 "EEPROM" remotes (like the URC-8910), you should get a Flash cable and an EEPROM adapter from Tommy, that way you can use the same cable for both types of remotes.

embrion · Post by **embrion** » Thu Jul 01, 2010 8:44 am

Now I understand.

About mixture of JP1s: I'm just going to buy one remote, I just have truble with choosing

Now I'm also looking at those Atlantas and they don't look as bad as they were yesterday

There are some at eBay which seller ships internationally.
I see that some of them don't have learning, some don't but can be taught and some have learning out of the box. Should I worry about it?
Also "Atlas DVR OCAP" says "Silver model has learning, not black one" Can't the black one be taught as well?
I'm trying to google which Atlantas have backlight. Any help?

Post by **The Robman** » Thu Jul 01, 2010 8:59 am

They're not called "Atlantas" they're called "Atlas".

What do you mean by "taught"? If an Atlas model is listed as not having learning, it might be possible to make it a learning model by soldering the missing components onto the printed circuit board, if that's what you mean, then yes.

Typically the word "taught" is used as a past tense word for learning. For example, "I taught the MENU button to my learning remote using my TV remote".

embrion · Post by **embrion** » Thu Jul 01, 2010 9:08 am

Sorry, "Atlas" of course.
About "taught": yes, that is what I meant because of "Some models have learning, others can be modified to use learning" comment in remotes sheet. Now I know it would be hardware modification not just software one (and software one was something I had on my mind while writing "taught"). Sorry, English is not my native language.

mdavej wrote: As for the cool Euro models, I was thinking about the URC-7556 Digital 5 and similar:

yeah I checked them as well but I still prefer RCA layout when we speak about non backlighted ones and the version with backlight doesn't suite me

I prefer MCE like button layout where I have at least "back" near the navigation pad

In fact I have such remote but I need something universal with macros I can switch for.

Philips Prestigo line has nice universal remotes but they're probably nowhere near as good supported as JP1. If model below would JP1 I'd have no doubts what to buy

mdavej · Post by **mdavej** » Thu Jul 01, 2010 9:29 am

With the IR Widget available now, learning isn't as important a feature as it used to be. If you can't find a learning atlas (you probably can't), you should get a widget or another cheap learning remote.

THIS is my favorite JP1 backlit/learning remote at the moment. Although they show up on ebay from time to time, getting shipped to Europe will probably be tough.

embrion · Post by **embrion** » Thu Jul 01, 2010 11:21 am

Nice one, let the hunting begin

Look like I found Atlanta with backlite but...it doesn't have learning according to forums and sheet

http://cgi.ebay.com//380171086859

Also, don't those two remotes look almost like RCA RCRP05B ?

http://www.urcsupport.com/html.php?page_id=408
http://www.urcsupport.com/html.php?page_id=425

I bet they're JP1, it's just the matter of capabilities. What do experts think ? At least black one is backlit so this could be my Holy Grail

==EDITED==

Something more about silver Titan including model number
http://www.mtasolutions.com/pdf/TitanRemoteControl.pdf

==EDITED2==

Looking at codes, for example for Microsoft Media Center (MCE)
RCA has: 1972
Titan has: 21972

Titan series broshure with model number variations:
http://www.uei.com/images/uploaded_images/Titan.pdf

Post by **The Robman** » Thu Jul 01, 2010 11:37 am

The setup codes are constant across all JP1 type remotes, so the MCE code would be 1972 regardless of which remote it is in.

Some remotes have the device type prefixed onto the setup code, which explains why the 1972 code is shown as 21972 in that remote.

embrion · Post by **embrion** » Thu Jul 01, 2010 11:40 am

So this would confirm this is JP1 remote.
On the downside, I can't find it anywhere to buy