JP1 Remotes

Oops, Liz is right, I didn't see that it was the subdevice. It will work just like the S3C8+ executor.

liz, vicky this all looks great.

I'm such a newbie, though, that I've still got a lot of reading and experimenting to do before I'll be able to apply all your pearls of wisdom. l'm determined to get there, though!

If, however, you can bear to help me make a shortcut or two ........

I've added the protocol to my ir file / remote setup in ir.exe but not sure if I've labelled it correctly (it shows as $0000 because I didn't enter anything from "Upgrade protocol 0 = 00 CD (HCS08) Panasonic Combo (PB v4.01)")

Then, I can't quite see how/where I should adjust the OBC power button and SUBDEVICE and apply the new protocol - Learned Signals?, Protocols?

Ignore this if it's too dumb a question ..... and I'll press on with my learning curve but .... if there is an extra pointer I'd be very grateful.

Ian

We assume you have some sort of an upgrade file built for this TV.
If the assumption is correct,
In KM or RM, in the Subdevice column, add 128 to subdevice for function DiscreteON. And push the upgrade over to IR's Devices tab, having first deleted the upgrade you (I think) already added. Answer YES to any questions such as 'you're changing a keymove from x to y'.

Then take Vicky's protocol text and push it into IR's Protocol tab.

Have you learned the signals? You know, we're driving blind, we con't know what your TV OEM remote puts out, so all this is guessed, possible patches. We don't even know it's running Panasonic protocol

Liz,

OP is an absolute beginner. He hasn't ever loaded an upgrade, much less built one. All the procedures and terminology mean very little to him at this point.

Ian,

You need to read the beginner threads/docs again and practice building and loading upgrades (any upgrade) until you begin to understand it. Honestly, unless you really need the extender, I would not recommend it for a beginner. It makes everything even more complicated. You'll have to be pretty adept at activating/deactivating, loading different files, analyzing learns, etc. until we get your TV figured out. Unfortunately, you're way off track on your attempt to load the upgrade. It would take several paragraphs to set you straight. Re-read the docs and practice, and when you think you have an handle on how to load an upgrade, post back. Also post the IR and RM files you're using.

Hang in there.

Ian,
You've come asking for help, but I'm going to suggest an approach. May I respectfully suggest that, based on the information you've provided, there is no way to tell what is required to make your 7781 affect the TV power. Particularly, it is hardly obvious that an extender is needed; in fact, it isn't clear (based on what you've said here) that any upgrade at all is needed.

We need to know or guess what IR signal(s) affect power on the TV. So what signal does the original remote send? It could 1) emit a repeating signal continuously for 1 second, or 2) emit a non-repeating signal every, say, 2/10 of second, or 3) it could wait until the button has been held for 1 second, and then send a single IR command. Your 7781 is one resource to help find out; a camera (still, video, cell phone) is another.

Each burst of IR is visible at the electronic viewfinder of most cameras, and so it should be clear which of the above 3 scenarios is operative. Then, learning the signal into the 7781 (as Liz has already suggested), and examining it via the learned signal tab on IR.exe will allow us to determine the signal itself.

I'm curious which scenario occurs-- my money is on wait one second, then send a single IR command. If the presumed signal is the standard one for Panasonic TVs, you would probably have already noticed that the 0650 could control the power. So the signal probably is different than Panasonic protocol, device 128, OBC 61.

Anybody else want to guess what sort of signal is sent?

Liz/Dave : I'm back in RM and am practising building and loading upgrades, starting with building one for my tv via the learning function on the 7781. Will post some results together with IR and RM files as soon as they are presentable.

And, yes - I dropped the extender idea as soon as I picked up on what the Long Keypress was really meant for.

3FG - thanks for your input and I will report back on camera findings but probably best to become upgrade-literate first.

More anon but many thanks for all your responses (and your gentle handling of such a newbie).

Ian

I'm having a period of good internet activitiy. I went back through this thread, and have picked up this bit of information

Ian's TV is responding to the TV/0650 which uses a Panasonic MIX Combo, Pid: 1F not the Panasonic Combo Pid:1C

So my little upgrade is not going to help Ian at all. If Ian wants to get a long press of a power button in a macro he is probably going to have to use an upgrade for the pansonic that specifies duration, but we need to create a basic upgrade first.

Ian, we will get you up and running, we were just in too much of a rush. We need to get back to basics.

Ian, does your TV respond to a long press of the Power button on your URC-7781?

Hello Vicky - I shouldn't be peeking at the thread - I should be doing my RM exercises and homework!

But, yes the TV responds to a long press of the Power button on the URC-7781.

Ian,

Does the tv respond to any of the following:

- Short press of power, wait 1 second, short press of power again
- Several presses of power during a 1 sec period. Try fast and slow.

If you can get something like the above to work manually, then we won't need any special long duration protocols.

The 3rd option is to test the Discrete on signal the same way and see if that does the trick.

Oh dear, I've been caught peeking at the thread again.

No, Dave, unfortunately the TV doesn't respond to either of your suggestions. Indeed it was because neither these nor repeated inclusions of the power button in normal macros worked that I started my journey into the magical world of JP1.

I'll be better acquainted with the Disrete On when I emerge from my RM activities so more anon.

This rdmu file
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... le_id=5498 Seems to be pretty close to the Tv/0650 but uses the pid CD that I hacked prior to this.


You would need to add a function called "long power". the long power should look just like the regular power except you'd add 128 to the subdevice.

Then whatever key you assigned the function "long power" to, would send the power signal for 1.75 seconds

Upgrade protocol 0 = 00 CD (HCS08) Panasonic Combo (PB v4.01)
20 15 24 49 32 8F 45 08 08 00 DA 00 DA 00 DA 02
8F 90 C9 06 D0 03 68 00 63 05 6E 0D B2 10 63 B6
62 B8 63 B8 64 B7 65 3C A9 CC FF 5F
End

3FG wrote:We need to know or guess what IR signal(s) affect power on the TV. So what signal does the original remote send? It could 1) emit a repeating signal continuously for 1 second, or 2) emit a non-repeating signal every, say, 2/10 of second, or 3) it could wait until the button has been held for 1 second, and then send a single IR command. Your 7781 is one resource to help find out; a camera (still, video, cell phone) is another.
...
Anybody else want to guess what sort of signal is sent?

While we wait, my vote is #3. That's likely the simplest thing for the remote maker to code - wait, watch the keyboard, if the same power is held, issue one signal, no complications no fuss. But a camera will be the only indication of the initial pause, though Ian might notice while learning onto 7781, that the remote takes longer to acknowledge the power signals as opposed to other functions.

As far which OBC, which device, which subdevice (might even be 4) - learned IR file will tell.

I think this thread should be moved to General Forum.

Hello Vicky and Hello All

Sorry for the delay.

Here http://www.im2020.com/JP1/Panasonic%20TX-L32G10B.rmdu is a basic upgrade file showing all the codes on my original TV remote.

For the moment, all I'd like to do is assign a "long power" signal to, say, the A key on my URC-7781 (or URC-7780).

I'm struggling (again!) copying in RM and pasting in IR to find the right place to add Vicky's suggested subdevice code and will renew my efforts again later today but if anyone can give me a step-by-step idiot's guide in the meantime I'd be very grateful.

Ooops - just checked that link and it's a blank .rmdu file.

Will repost the link in a moment.

The link is now correct

http://www.im2020.com/JP1/Panasonic%20TX-L32G10B.rmdu