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lokinz
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 Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:41 pm Post subject: URC-7960/OARI06G - Philips TV Discrete EFC Codes |
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Hi there,
Not sure if this is the right place to post this but here goes...
I have a URC-7960 remote also known as OARI06G.
What I want to do is program a macro to set my TV and Amp to the right inputs when I hit the corresponding smart control button.
I know how to set macros and use EFC codes etc and as far as I'm aware my remote is not JP1 compatible (please correct me if I am wrong).
As there are no buttons on the TV remote to select a specific input; what I am after are the discrete EFC codes for my TV which is a Philips 42PFL5403/98.
When I use the "SimpleSet" feature to detect my TV the device is set to 1506 and when I look that up here [Link: hifi-remote.com] there are no specific inputs listed, nor are there discrete power codes.
I have looked all over the place and all I can come up with are some possible pronto hex codes which I can't verify and seem to be of no use to me (If there is a way for me to use them please let me know).
I am really hoping that some fantastic person can help me out as I'm nearly going insane with trying to figure this out.
Many Thanks,
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cauer29
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| Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:44 pm Post subject: Re: URC-7960/OARI06G - Philips TV Discrete EFC Codes |
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| lokinz wrote: | Hi there,
Not sure if this is the right place to post this but here goes...
I have a URC-7960 remote also known as OARI06G.
What I want to do is program a macro to set my TV and Amp to the right inputs when I hit the corresponding smart control button.
I know how to set macros and use EFC codes etc and as far as I'm aware my remote is not JP1 compatible (please correct me if I am wrong).
As there are no buttons on the TV remote to select a specific input; what I am after are the discrete EFC codes for my TV which is a Philips 42PFL5403/98.
When I use the "SimpleSet" feature to detect my TV the device is set to 1506 and when I look that up here [Link: hifi-remote.com] there are no specific inputs listed, nor are there discrete power codes.
I have looked all over the place and all I can come up with are some possible pronto hex codes which I can't verify and seem to be of no use to me (If there is a way for me to use them please let me know).
I am really hoping that some fantastic person can help me out as I'm nearly going insane with trying to figure this out.
Many Thanks,
Loki |
Give a pointer to the pronto codes and we can convert those to EFCs for you. If you want to do it yourself, open up IR and paste them into learned keys. IR will convert those to device, sub-device and EFC. On the other hand, the 7960 doesn't seem to be listed on the lookup tool. So, perhaps it isn't a JP1 remote? The 7950 setup code 1506 is for RC5 and that is what we expect for a Philips TV.
Which brings up another point. RC5 and its cousins have a unique feature whereby every time you press a key, one bit of the IR transmission toggles to the opposite state compared to the previous keypress of the same key. The TV will expect that if it sees the same IR transmission with the same toggle bit state, that it is just the user holding the key down, rather than a new keypress. As such, it can be a bit tricky to manage sending a key with the toggle state the TV is expecting for a given key in a macro.
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lokinz
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| Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:55 pm Post subject: Re: URC-7960/OARI06G - Philips TV Discrete EFC Codes |
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| cauer29 wrote: | Give a pointer to the pronto codes and we can convert those to EFCs for you. If you want to do it yourself, open up IR and paste them into learned keys. IR will convert those to device, sub-device and EFC. On the other hand, the 7960 doesn't seem to be listed on the lookup tool. So, perhaps it isn't a JP1 remote? The 7950 setup code 1506 is for RC5 and that is what we expect for a Philips TV.
Which brings up another point. RC5 and its cousins have a unique feature whereby every time you press a key, one bit of the IR transmission toggles to the opposite state compared to the previous keypress of the same key. The TV will expect that if it sees the same IR transmission with the same toggle bit state, that it is just the user holding the key down, rather than a new keypress. As such, it can be a bit tricky to manage sending a key with the toggle state the TV is expecting for a given key in a macro.
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Thanks for the reply.
The codes I was referring to are here http://files.remotecentral.com/library/3-1/philips/lcd_television/inputs/index.html as I said I have no idea if these are the right codes or not.
I did notice that when I "learn" the source key from the TV remote that you cant use it twice in a row (as you described) however this is not going to be an issue as the TV will only need to change to a particular input if it's not already on it. |
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cauer29
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| Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:59 pm Post subject: Re: URC-7960/OARI06G - Philips TV Discrete EFC Codes |
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| lokinz wrote: | | cauer29 wrote: | Give a pointer to the pronto codes and we can convert those to EFCs for you. If you want to do it yourself, open up IR and paste them into learned keys. IR will convert those to device, sub-device and EFC. On the other hand, the 7960 doesn't seem to be listed on the lookup tool. So, perhaps it isn't a JP1 remote? The 7950 setup code 1506 is for RC5 and that is what we expect for a Philips TV.
Which brings up another point. RC5 and its cousins have a unique feature whereby every time you press a key, one bit of the IR transmission toggles to the opposite state compared to the previous keypress of the same key. The TV will expect that if it sees the same IR transmission with the same toggle bit state, that it is just the user holding the key down, rather than a new keypress. As such, it can be a bit tricky to manage sending a key with the toggle state the TV is expecting for a given key in a macro.
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Thanks for the reply.
The codes I was referring to are here http://files.remotecentral.com/library/3-1/philips/lcd_television/inputs/index.html as I said I have no idea if these are the right codes or not.
I did notice that when I "learn" the source key from the TV remote that you cant use it twice in a row (as you described) however this is not going to be an issue as the TV will only need to change to a particular input if it's not already on it. |
Those pronto hex codes are in the so-called predefined format instead of learned format. So, we can't deal with them directly. It may take a little reading to determine how to convert them to learned pronto hex and then to EFC for setup code 1506. I'll see what I can do, unless someone who knows this better than I, jumps in first.
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3FG
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| Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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I believe the codes at RC are the same as available here as a RM file. For the 5000 format, just convert the last two hex numbers to decimal to get the device/OBC.
Function EFC device OBC
discrete off 62157 RC5 0 61
discrete on 62149 RC5 0 63
av1 59945 RC5 3 4
av2 62173 RC5 0 57
av3 60121 RC5 3 56
hdmi1 60125 RC5 3 57
hdmi2 59605 RC5 3 123
hdmi3 59937 RC5 3 6
side 60113 RC5 3 58
format auto 60109 RC5 3 61
tuner 59417 RC5 3 72
Note that TV 1506 specifies device 31, while nearly all files here show either RC5 or RC6, device 0. So who knows if these will work. |
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lokinz
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| Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for that info.
Please excuse my ignorance (this is all brand new to me) I'm not sure what exactly the codes after RC5 are and what to do with them.
Basically all I can do with my remote is punch in a 5 digit EFC.
I will try those codes when I get home tonight.
With that file you linked to... If I can get the remote to communicate with the TV by setting it to 1554 instead of 1506 can I then just convert the hex to decimal and use that as an EFC code?
i.e Function.46.name=hdmi1, Function.46.hex=1C 18 = EFC 07192
Or am I way off track here... |
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cauer29
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| Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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| lokinz wrote: | Thanks for that info.
Please excuse my ignorance (this is all brand new to me) I'm not sure what exactly the codes after RC5 are and what to do with them.
Basically all I can do with my remote is punch in a 5 digit EFC.
I will try those codes when I get home tonight.
With that file you linked to... If I can get the remote to communicate with the TV by setting it to 1554 instead of 1506 can I then just convert the hex to decimal and use that as an EFC code?
i.e Function.46.name=hdmi1, Function.46.hex=1C 18 = EFC 07192
Or am I way off track here... |
The EFC that you use is what 3FG put right after the function name on each line. The stuff after RC5 are needed to come up with the EFC. That's already been done for you in this case. All you need to try this out is the EFC.
HDMI1 is EFC 60125
HDMI2 is EFC 59605
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3FG
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 12:05 am Post subject: |
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Sorry, I left out too much. The EFCs I listed should work with 1506.
Setup codes are really just an index into tables of device and function number (OBC) info. When we JP1ers add an upgrade, we need to supply a setup code so the remote can find the upgrade we've added. The 1554 in the upgrade file has no meaning to your remote.
Anyway, the EFCs came from that upgrade file, but were converted to work with 1506. As cauer29 said, the "RC5 0 61" just means RC5 IR protocol, device 0, function number 61. You don't need these numbers, but it helps to see that these discrete codes match the ones you found at RC. |
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lokinz
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 12:39 am Post subject: |
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| Thanks for your efforts but sadly none of those codes work for me. The ones from jp1 lookup 7950 setup code 1506 do work however. |
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lokinz
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:01 am Post subject: |
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| Setup codes 0605, 0556 & 0037 also seem to control the TV, I haven't had a chance to play with the EFCs for these codes yet but looking at the codes listed in the lookup for 7950 there are still no discrete power or input EFCs listed. |
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lokinz
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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I've been in contact with OneForAll and they have sent me the following codes. There doesn't seem to be what I want listed and I haven't tried them out yet.
Posting them here for anyone who may want them in the future.
Synthesizer codes for ID T1506
59609 .
59637 Cancel
61529 PIP
61629 Active Control
59505 Digital Menu
62145 Pixel Plus Demo
59549 Alarm Off
62133 Dual I-II
59921 Smart Picture
59545 Alarm On
62133 Dual I/II
59925 Smart Sound
60073 Ambilight Mode
61529 Dual Window
62133 Stereo/Mono
60085 Ambilight On/Off
61573 Fastext White
59637 Text Cancel
59617 Analog/Digital
62133 I-II
62121 Virtual Dolby
59921 Auto Picture
61573 Option
59925 Auto Sound
61573 Options
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Synthesizer codes for ID T2986
00737 Active Control
00305 Incredible Surround
00305 Surround Sound
00393 Ambilight
00612 Mode
00737 Text Hold
00393 Ambilight On/Off
00612 Smart
00498 Text Reveal
00498 Demo
00737 Smart Picture Mode
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Synthesizer codes for ID T1455
59609 .
59625 FS
61509 PIP Source
61973 11
61469 HD Navigate
61521 PIP Swap
61629 Active Control
59921 HD Picture
62113 Sleep
59921 Auto Mode
59925 HD Sound
59921 Smart Mode
45601 BS 11
62133 I/II
59921 Smart Picture
45621 BS 5
62133 Language
59925 Smart Sound
45609 BS 7
60145 MiNet
61661 Surf
45613 BS 9
60149 MiRec
62109 Text Hold
62161 CC
60137 MiSrc
62085 Timer
62161 Closed Caption
61669 Option
59645 TV/Radio
59609 Dot
61529 PIP
61661 Favorite
61613 PIP Freeze
61661 Favorites
61533 PIP Position |
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cauer29
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| Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:32 am Post subject: |
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| lokinz wrote: | | Setup codes 0605, 0556 & 0037 also seem to control the TV, I haven't had a chance to play with the EFCs for these codes yet but looking at the codes listed in the lookup for 7950 there are still no discrete power or input EFCs listed. |
The original 1506 setup code that you posted is a combo RC5/RC5x protocol. That is, it allows both standard RC5 and RC5x protocols. The pronto hex that you linked, is simple RC5. Setup code 0605 is RC6 v2. Setup code 0556 is simple RC5. Setup code 0037 is simple RC5. The upgrade that 3FG suggested is a combo RC5/RC6 protocol.
I'm left wondering what exactly it is that your TV needs. It is feasible to search the entire EFC space for simple RC5. So, you could try setup code 0556 or 0037 and go through all 256 EFCs starting with 00000 and continuing through 00255. You could try that for 0605 also as that is RC6 but still retains the simple 3 digits with 2 leading zeros EFC format. The combo protocols get fancy with their 5 full non-zero digits for EFC. So, it's not generally feasible to do a brute force EFC search on those.
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lokinz
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| Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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| cauer29 wrote: |
The original 1506 setup code that you posted is a combo RC5/RC5x protocol. That is, it allows both standard RC5 and RC5x protocols. The pronto hex that you linked, is simple RC5. Setup code 0605 is RC6 v2. Setup code 0556 is simple RC5. Setup code 0037 is simple RC5. The upgrade that 3FG suggested is a combo RC5/RC6 protocol.
I'm left wondering what exactly it is that your TV needs. It is feasible to search the entire EFC space for simple RC5. So, you could try setup code 0556 or 0037 and go through all 256 EFCs starting with 00000 and continuing through 00255. You could try that for 0605 also as that is RC6 but still retains the simple 3 digits with 2 leading zeros EFC format. The combo protocols get fancy with their 5 full non-zero digits for EFC. So, it's not generally feasible to do a brute force EFC search on those.
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Thanks for explaining that. I've gone through them all with no luck, I found a few commands that the remote doesn't have, but not the ones I was after. 
The codes 3FG's codes worked in 0556 but they brought up the "source" menu. I am guessing that my TV is not capable of receiving a command to switch to a particular input and sadly is too slow to process a macro scrolling through the inputs. |
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