cant make pause protocol work on RS 15-2117 extender 3

[tnkrer]

I have RS 15-2117 remote with extender 3. (RSL1RSx3)

I need to use a delay of about 4-5 seconds. (panasonic TV takes that long to start )

I am using IR802. The rdf file is from 2005. (I didn't find newer version of the rdf file). IR802 allows me to create a special protocol key for pause. So I created that. (It allows to specify seconds directly instead of hex)
Target Device Target Key Type Function HexCmd Note
TV phantom5 Pause = 7secs $70$91
This is what I see in sepcial protocols after creation of the pause key. I use that key in my LKP long press. but it does not work.

I searched in the forum and found some stating that the protocol from extender did not work for them, so I decided to try the protocol from RM. I removed the protocol from IR. then created a new device (1212/cable) in RM, changed the protocol to pause(special). Added a key for 5 second pause (duration = 80). Used the protocol upgrade/device upgrade to get the keymove. Then changed the keymove to TV phantom5. After I uploaded the ir file to remote and executed the LKP, something went bad.. (The LCD showed all possible lines like it shows when the upload is done). After that most keys did not work. (LCD showed something like M9595 ..)

here is the LKP long press key sequence
DEV_AUD, DiscreteON, DEV_TV, DiscreteON, phantom5, s**t-4, DEV_AUD, 1, DEV_DVD, DiscreteON, XSHIFT-phantom1
phantomt on DEV_TV is pause. DEV_DVD discreteON is toadtog

(read about some weird behavior with pause and toad here)

So how can I get pause to work?

Thanks

[The Robman]

While you wait for an extender expert to help you, you could try the old fashioned way of adding a pause.

http://www.hifi-remote.com/ofa/faq.shtml#1.17

Basically, all you would need to do is program a keymove onto the RECORD button using the VCR/0039 setup code (any EFC will do), then use the RECORD button in your macros when you need a pause.

[tnkrer]

Thanks Robman

While you wait for an extender expert to help you, you could try the old fashioned way of adding a pause.

http://www.hifi-remote.com/ofa/faq.shtml#1.17

Basically, all you would need to do is program a keymove onto the RECORD button using the VCR/0039 setup code (any EFC will do), then use the RECORD button in your macros when you need a pause.

OK, I wasnt sure how to translate the cinema 7 instructions to my case. So here is what I did

Created a new file in remotemaster, selected setup code as 0039, protocol as zenith. in Protocol parameters, there was a checkbox for long record. I checked that. I used EFC 111 for the record key and assinged it to shift-record (to get a keymove). I copied the upgrade to IR. (It copied it as cbl and not as vcr), should I change that to VCR?) Then I changed the keymove from VCR - shift record to my delay key, TV phantom5

I will test it tonight.

[The Robman]

I don't know if that will work. Assuming that you're not using the RECORD button in TV mode for anything, you should just add a simple keymove to the RECORD button in TV mode. Select VCR as the device type and 0093 as the setup code.

There is code inside the Zenith protocol executor that tests for the RECORD button and when it finds that it's being used, it changes the number of repeats to some big number (I forget what it is exactly).

[tnkrer]

I don't know if that will work. Assuming that you're not using the RECORD button in TV mode for anything, you should just add a simple keymove to the RECORD button in TV mode. Select VCR as the device type and 0093 as the setup code.

There is code inside the Zenith protocol executor that tests for the RECORD button and when it finds that it's being used, it changes the number of repeats to some big number (I forget what it is exactly).

yes that worked. It gave me about 5-6 seconds. (It sent a lot of IR signals as shown by my usb-uirt)

still waiting to see if I can use pause protocol properly. (Though if I can't, I have a solution thanks to robman!)

[ElizabethD]

There are experts here who have or had 2117, so if you post your IR file with the pause protocol that fails, you might get a solution why the RM or KM version didn't work. We do know that the built-into extender Pause protocol in 2117, as well as 8910 is too fast, so the KM or RM version have to be used and usually work.
One other thing I'd suggest is do the total manufacturer reset and reload the IR file back.
And finally, prey tell, what might "s**t-4" in your LKP stand for?

Edit:
Just for reference, on 7800 running ext5 0.469sec comes up as $05 $EA in IR8.02, 7.974sec comes up as $55 $68, and it works. So the entries in IR seem reasonable to me.
Perhaps deleting the built-in Pause caused a mess of some sort.

[tnkrer]

There are experts here who have or had 2117, so if you post your IR file with the pause protocol that fails, you might get a solution why the RM or KM version didn't work. We do know that the built-into extender Pause protocol in 2117, as well as 8910 is too fast, so the KM or RM version have to be used and usually work.
One other thing I'd suggest is do the total manufacturer reset and reload the IR file back.

My current IR file does not have RM/KM pause protocol. (Since I got some memory error there). I assume that I need to delete extender protocol and then load pause protocol from RM (I am more comfortable with RM than KM), load the keymove and then provide the IR. will do so soon. (RM has two pause protocols, extender and special. I assume that I should use special and not extender)

And finally, prey tell, what might "s**t-4" in your LKP stand for?

That was obviously Shift-4 - That selects right TV input.

Edit:
Just for reference, on 7800 running ext5 0.469sec comes up as $05 $EA in IR8.02, 7.974sec comes up as $55 $68, and it works. So the entries in IR seem reasonable to me.
Perhaps deleting the built-in Pause caused a mess of some sort.

Can I have both pause protocols? extender and RM created at the same time?

[ElizabethD]

"phantomt on DEV_TV is pause" phantomt? phantom5?
You still have not posted your IR file. I do not have 2117 to even begin to help. But let's say you add this to IR - 5sec pause is on Phantom5-will it work? Your Panasonic TV could just use a keymove similar to this from setup 1111

Upgrade Code 0 = 6C 57 (Cable/1111) keymap-master Device Upgrade (KM v9.19)
FB 00 00 00 03 05
KeyMoves
3B F3 64 57 05«Pause»
End

and

Upgrade Protocol 0 = 01 FB (S3C8+) Pause Protocol (Special) (KM v9.19)
00 00 01 E4 03 C2 C6 C0 00 00 0A FE 1A FC 2A FA
AF
End

KM instructions say
"See the 'Protocol Help' sheet for details.
MUST use OBC's. Both the Device Upgrade Code and the Protocol Code are REQUIRED."

[tnkrer]

"phantomt on DEV_TV is pause" phantomt? phantom5?

yes it was phantom5, sorry had couple of typos in my first post

You still have not posted your IR file.

Posted two IR files.
One with the pause protocol that you have provided.
And another with pause protocol from RM.
(They look different, not sure why)
I have not tested either yet. I plan to test these tonight and will report after that.
The pause keymove you provided translated to 0.313 sec. (and not 5 sec)

I do not have 2117 to even begin to help. But let's say you add this to IR - 5sec pause is on Phantom5-will it work? Your Panasonic TV could just use a keymove similar to this from setup 1111

Upgrade Code 0 = 6C 57 (Cable/1111) keymap-master Device Upgrade (KM v9.19)
FB 00 00 00 03 05
KeyMoves
3B F3 64 57 05«Pause»
End

and

Upgrade Protocol 0 = 01 FB (S3C8+) Pause Protocol (Special) (KM v9.19)
00 00 01 E4 03 C2 C6 C0 00 00 0A FE 1A FC 2A FA
AF
End

KM instructions say
"See the 'Protocol Help' sheet for details.
MUST use OBC's. Both the Device Upgrade Code and the Protocol Code are REQUIRED."

Here is how the protocol/device upgrade look from RM

Upgrade Code 0 = 6C 57 (Cable/1111) (RM v1.97)
FB 00 01
KeyMoves
3B F3 64 57 50«5 second pause»
End

Upgrade protocol 0 = 01 FB (S3C80) Pause Protocol (Special) (RM v1.97)
00 00 01 E4 03 C2 C6 C0 00 00 0A FE 1A FC 2A FA
AF
End

[tnkrer]

pause provided by Liz worked. (I changed the value from 05 to 40 for 4 min pause in the keymove)

pause from RM did not work and was giving some memory corruption.

VCR trick suggested by robman worked also. But I will stay with KM pause since that should be adjustable.

Thanks