Struggling to assign extender's long keypress to URC-7781

im2020 · Post by **im2020** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 7:22 am

Hello Graham and everyone else

I wonder if I'm getting in deeper than I should but I remain very keen.

Amongst my kit is a Panasonic Television TX-L32G10B which responds to setup code T0650 on my URC-7781 and which needs the power on button pressed for 1-2 seconds to switch on.

I would like to incorporate the switching on of this TV in a sequence of commands assigned to a macro on the URC-7781.

This isn't possible in its native state so I've equipped myself with your A1/A2 extenders, ir.exe and one of Tommy Tyler's jp1.2 flash interface cables.

I've got everything set up satisfactorily and can upload/download ir files between pc and remote and have loaded the A1 extender.

I'm bogged down though in the extender manual having read and re-read everything about key moves, macros and special protocols and still not knowing how to go about setting up my macro.

As I say I remain keen to crack it but can anyone give me some hints on my next few steps?

Thanks in advance for any help.

Ian

mdavej · Post by **mdavej** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 8:11 am

I can't help with your problem, but I can tell you that the extender long key press macro doesn't do what you think it does. It doesn't hold a command. It just means you have to press the key longer to make the macro run. That's so you can put 2 different macros on the same key. One runs on a short press, and the other runs on a long press. The duration of the command sent, however is short in both cases.

I thinks someone may be able to modify a protocol for you to extend the duration. However, it's unusual to have to extend the duration of a command like that. Are you certain you really need to hold the power button? Are you using the discrete on command? If not, you may want to use THIS upgrade instead of the built-in code. Perhaps you just need to wait longer before sending other commands, in which case you'd want to simply add a pause after sending power on.

Post by **vickyg2003** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 8:28 am

Dave took the words right out of my mouth. I think you are confusing a LKP (Long key press macro) with a long key press. An LKP performs different macro steps depending on how long you press the key. You want your hold time to be longer so that more repeat frames are sent.

Getting a long key press inside a macro can be tricky. If you can work it so the Power button is the last thing in the macro, it will keep repeating as long as the button is held. Chances are that a pause will do the trick too. Since it might just take your device a while to react. If a pause won't do it, you might, since the Panasonic protocolrepeat style repeats the whole signal when pressed, you can probably get by withadding additional power buttons in your macro.

im2020 · Post by **im2020** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 11:15 am

Aha .... and oh dear. I was sort of fearing this might be the answer.

Yes, Dave, unfortunately it's a feature (drawback) of all recent Panasonic TV's that starting up requires you to hold the power button down for 1-2 seconds.

I've tried putting the power button at the end of a macro and keeping the button held but to no avail. I've also tried a pause and tried adding additional power buttons in the macro, again without any luck.

Dave, not sure what you mean by the "discrete on command" and also not sure what I should do with (how I should apply) the Panasonic_TC-P65V10.rmdu file?

Ian

im2020 · Post by **im2020** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 11:51 am

OK, bootstrapping as I go along. Had only started dabbling with ir.exe.

Have now read up about and installed Remote Master and opened Panasonic_TC-P65V10.rmdu file. Still not sure what I'm doing but it's all good fun.

mdavej · Post by **mdavej** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 12:32 pm

Not sure if it will actually work on your tv since they've apparently changed the way power on works, but it's worth a shot. If you've never used RM, you certainly jumped right in the deep end without learning to swim first. It took me a few years to understand things well enough to load an extender. But you seem to be coming right along.

Power toggles on or off with each press. Discrete on is a different command that only powers on, never off. It's not on the original remote anywhere. It's very common to use discrete power and input commands like this in macros so the power states of your devices never get out of sync.

Once you figure it all out and get the upgrade loaded, you'll want to string several discrete on's together like Vicky said. I don't think power toggle will work, but it might if you always use an odd number of them.

Good luck.

Post by **ElizabethD** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 3:51 pm

I have a hard time believing that a long press is needed.
But if it is, a repeater of discrete ON (FF 83) might do the job. Rob once made a repeater for Panasonic Combo. Perhaps Vicky or Graham could translate to HCS08.

Upgrade protocol 0 = 00 CD (S3C8+) PB v4.01
45 91 32 8B 12 8F 45 08 08 00 DA 00 C6 00 DA 02
7B 90 C9 06 D0 03 54 18 06 37 11 06 E6 0D 0A 46
06 01 E4 05 08 B4 06 08 B4 07 08 20 11 8D 01 46
End

change hexOA (10) to another number of repeats on the end of the second line (E6 0D 0A). On my 7800 remote 10 repeats take 1.3 seconds. On 8910 (using above code) 10 repeats take also 1.3 seconds.

I just threw this protocol into IR directly after adding the upgrade for Panasonic gear. The only requirement is to add 128 to OBC for a function in order to trigger the repeater in the protocol. All other functions are unaffected.

edit - ERROR above - don't add to OBC. Add to Subdevice instead. Since discrete ON and OFF are likely on device 0, subdevice of 128 will work.

mdavej · Post by **mdavej** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 3:59 pm

Liz,

I had a hard time believing it too. But sure enough, the manual explicitly states that you have to hold the power button for 1 second. That's a real bone-headed move by panasonic since their new TVs will no longer work with any universal remotes as far as macros go.

Post by **ElizabethD** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 7:02 pm

im2020,
According to RemoteChart, your remote is a learner. It might be helpful here if you used the correct learning procedure outlined here
http://hifi-remote.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3943
and post your IR file with the power on, power off, both long hold, signal that works. Also include few other buttons - numbers, channels, inputs.

mdavej · Post by **mdavej** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 7:13 pm

Also, if you are indeed running the extender, you'll have to temporarily deactivate it in order for learning to work.

Post by **vickyg2003** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 7:23 pm

Liz is there an upgrade to go with that panasonic combo. I see how Rob put it together, but it would help if I had an RDMU or a KM file to go with it.

Post by **ElizabethD** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 7:34 pm

Vicky I don't have PanasonicCombo for any TV here (usual built in setup 0250 is just one-byte job), but I do have combo upgrades for my receiver where I repeat volume+ and volume- which might help.
You'll see standard vol codes and then the repeating ones in the KM upgrades towards the bottom of the functions list
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... le_id=7694

Edit: receivers are device 160, TVs normally are 128.

im2020 · Post by **im2020** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:22 pm

Wow, wow - thanks for all the above. I've been away fixing my car! Will get stuck in again tonight and report back.

Ian

Post by **vickyg2003** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:32 pm

Ian, your remote has a HCS08 chip in it. You'll need to add this protocol and then adjust your OBC on your power button to get the long keypress you are looking for.

Upgrade protocol 0 = 00 CD (HCS08) Panasonic Combo (PB v4.01)
20 15 24 49 32 8F 45 08 08 00 DA 00 DA 00 DA 02
8F 90 C9 06 D0 03 68 00 63 05 6E 0D B2 10 63 B6
62 B8 63 B8 64 B7 65 3C A9 CC FF 5F
End

This protocol holds the repeat for 1.75 seconds.

As Liz said, add 128 to the OBC that needs to be held.

Post by **ElizabethD** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:54 pm

Vicky,
Imade a correction after posting and suppose you didn't see it.
Add 128 to SUBDEVICE not to OBC.