Correct way to edit a keybinding using IR?

[Biff]

Hi,
I have a URC6131 and a URC8910.
The code for my Sony audio receiver works fine on the 6131 - except that the keybinding used to select component #6 seems to be wrong.

I also have a URC8910, and I used this to learn the correct code from the original Sony remote for component #6.

I downloaded both of my remotes using IR.exe and have been looking at their contents.
IR seems to display two codes for the learned code(URC8910) for option #6 - and I am wondering if I simply edit the code on the URC6310 to one or the other, if that will allow that remote to select component #6 also.

Here are snippets from IR.exe showing what I am looking at:


and




Why does IR show "BE or BF" and "191 or 183" - shouldn't it be one or the other? Which code did it learn - is it not sure?

Unfortunately, I do not have a PC with a parallel port at home, so I am using IR during lunch today at work - so I can't test anything till I get back home again.

I am figuring that if I choose the wrong code today - I can try the other one tomorrow.

Is it really this simple - or do I need to go the "upgrade" route to fix my URC6131?

Thanks

Jim

[The Robman]

The Sony12/15 protocol is what we call a "mini-combo" protocol because it lets you program more than one device code at a time. This is why we recommend that you focus on the device code and OBC when reading learns rather than the EFC or the hex code.

Now, back to what you're looking at. In the 6131 image, you have selected the X10 upgrade and you are comparing the data with a learn from a Sony remote, prompting the question, what does one have to do with the other? If, as you say, the remote works your Sony receiver just fine, I suspect that if we were to look at the General tab we would see a code other than audio/0167 programmed to the RCVR button, so changing the 0167 upgrade would have no effect.

To change the way a button works, you have two options. The first is to program a keymove, but to do that you need to have some understanding of the setup code that you wish to use the keymove with (and not all setup codes accept keymoves). The second is to create your own upgrade.

As your Sony remote uses device code 16 for the button in question, you could program a keymove using the audio/1058 setup code, which has 16 as the first device code. Therefore, you would use the first of the two EFCs presented (ie, 191) to program a keymove.

I'm guessing that you got the 6131 from me as I pre-load the X10 (0167) and ReplayTV (1614) codes into the remotes that I modify.

[Biff]

The Sony12/15 protocol is what we call a "mini-combo" protocol because it lets you program more than one device code at a time. This is why we recommend that you focus on the device code and OBC when reading learns rather than the EFC or the hex code.

Ok - that I can understand...

Now, back to what you're looking at. In the 6131 image, you have selected the X10 upgrade and you are comparing the data with a learn from a Sony remote, prompting the question, what does one have to do with the other?

Argh - that is my ignorance showing, I had *assumed* that the "AUD" in the drop down corresponded to my Sony receiver, when in fact, there are TWO AUDs - the second one being 0167, and not the 1058 one for my Sony Receiver

If, as you say, the remote works your Sony receiver just fine, I suspect that if we were to look at the General tab we would see a code other than audio/0167 programmed to the RCVR button, so changing the 0167 upgrade would have no effect.

*Sigh* - right as usual...

To change the way a button works, you have two options. The first is to program a keymove, but to do that you need to have some understanding of the setup code that you wish to use the keymove with (and not all setup codes accept keymoves). The second is to create your own upgrade.

Ok - looking at the Keymove section of IR, it does not seem all that complicated - I'm definitely going to try this route.

As your Sony remote uses device code 16 for the button in question, you could program a keymove using the audio/1058 setup code, which has 16 as the first device code. Therefore, you would use the first of the two EFCs presented (ie, 191) to program a keymove.

I'm guessing that you got the 6131 from me as I pre-load the X10 (0167) and ReplayTV (1614) codes into the remotes that I modify.

Yep - I probably did buy this one from you back in '05, at the time I was not having the best of luck modifying a stock 6131 - so I opted for a known good one

I was hoping I would not have to go the upgrade route, since a keymove seems to be less complex for a beginner

Firing up IR again with my saved 6131.ir file, it looks like all I need to do for a keymove is:

Select the correct "AUD" and "Key" under "Bound Key"

Select the correct "AUD" and code in the table below via double click and
finally, type in either "191" or "183" as the EFC/Hex cmd -
and then "OK".

I'll give that a try.... thanks for pointing me in the correct direction

Jim

[The Robman]

Yep - I probably did buy this one from you back in '05, at the time I was not having the best of luck modifying a stock 6131 - so I opted for a known good one

I was hoping I would not have to go the upgrade route, since a keymove seems to be less complex for a beginner

If you've been doing this since '05, you're hardly a beginner. Maybe it's time to shake of your fears and take a look at just how easy it is to create an upgrade. Keep in mind, of course, that we already have upgrades for most (if not all) of your devices, so all you'd have to do is decide which functions you want on which buttons.

Firing up IR again with my saved 6131.ir file, it looks like all I need to do for a keymove is:

Select the correct "AUD" and "Key" under "Bound Key"

Select the correct "AUD" and code in the table below via double click and
finally, type in either "191" or "183" as the EFC/Hex cmd -
and then "OK".

You missed a step. The 1058 code that you are using is a combo code, so it won't work with EFCs, you need to use the 0158 setup code that I mentioned before.