Motorola QIP2500-3

[enchant]

Just got Verizon FIOS installed, and the set top box is a Motorola QIP2500-3. Is that code available, and if not, is a similar one out there?

[Capn Trips]

Please read and comply with the first sticky post in this forum. (See "READ BEFORE POSTING" link in my sig below)

[enchant]

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1. Device: Motorola QIP2500-3
2. Type of device: Cable box
3. Year: 2007
4. JP1/UEI Remote model: URC-8910B02
5. Do you have a JP1 cable? Yes
6. Still have original remote? Yes
7. Checked the file section? Yes
8. Checked Pronto file section (at R/C)? Yes
9. Partially working setup code? No
10. Learning remote question? n/a

[Capn Trips]

OK.

Why did you answer Q.10 "n/a"? The 8910 is most certainly a learning remote.

Although your exact model is not in the File Section, manufacturers frequently (more often than not) use the same codes for similar equipment models. There are several Motorola Cable box upgrades in the file section. Have you tried any of them?

If none of those work, the quickest solution would be for you you to use your 8910 to learn and decode the OEM remote and build your own upgrade. Then you could share it in the Device Upgrade File Section for those of us who want to follow you into the brave new world of FIOS.

(!@#$%^ homeowner's association is blocking Verizon's intent to install FIOS in my neighborhood! )

[johnsfine]

I would be surprised to learn Motorola switched to a different code set for cable boxes. They have been pretty consistent for several years, so I think it more likely that some built-in setup code works, and/or one of the motorola files in our file area works.

But regardless of whether they switched to a new code set, your answer to question 10 is not reasonable.

Given your answers to 4, 5, and 6, we must assume you could learn a few signals, download them to IR.exe, see the decodes, and identify the code set.

If it really isn't an identifiable code set, you could learn all the signals (in batches if they don't all fit in learning memory at once) and use the decodes to create a new setup code for them.

I understand you'd prefer to have someone tell you all that work has already been done by someone else and you just need to use a specific built-in setup code or download a specific file.

However, most people who do such work and then continue to read the forum already posted the results. Since you don't see anything posted for Motorola QIP2500, you can assume no one still reading this thread has already done that work.

[enchant]

I said "N/A" because although my remote IS a learning remote, there are only four learn-able buttons on it. My new device remote has dozens of buttons, and I'd really like to have all of them.

But it's obvious that I'm missing something. Sorry to have taken everyone's time, and thanks for your help, nonetheless.

[johnsfine]

The OFA documentation is misleading. You are NOT limited to four learn-able buttons. You can learn onto almost any button.

But even if you were limited to four learn-able buttons, that wouldn't be a problem with JP1.

We aren't suggesting that you use learning as the final method of programming your remote for the entire cable tuner code set. That might work, but more likely the 8910 would run out of learning memory. Anyway, it would be inferior to creating or using a JP1 upgrade.

We are suggesting you use information from decoding learned signals to identify or create an upgrade.

You could start by learning a few functions and see if their decodes match an existing built-in setup code or upgrade. If you need help with that you could post the decodes (protocol name, device number, subdevice number and OBC number) to this thread, or you could post the .ir file containing a few learned signals to the diagnosis area and post its URL here.

If the above didn't work, or you wanted results faster than waiting for more help, you could do what Capn Trips is telling you: Follow the JP1 beginner instructions to learn all the functions in batches then create a new upgrade.

[Capn Trips]

Regardless whether you have 4 learning buttons or 40 (your remote can learn to MANY more than four - I have several 8910s), you can still learn a few buttons, download into IR, read the decode info, repeat, until you have all of your OEM buttons decoded. Then you build your own upgrade using those data.

It was presumed that you would be familiar with all of that since you have a cable, and therefore a presumed familiarity with the JP1 tools. If you do NOT know how to use Keymap Master or RemoteMaster and/or IR.exe, then you need to read the "Beginner's Read this first" sticky post in the Beginner's section (linked in my sig below) which explains how to build your own upgrade from learned signals.

[Capn Trips]

I'm missing something.

Yes, you are. You do not use the "learned" functions directly. You learn as many as you can, use IR.exe to DECODE them, repeat until EVERY button is so decoded. Then you build an upgrade from the decoded info, obviating the need for ANY learned functions. (An upgrade is far more memory-efficient than a bunch of learned functions)

[enchant]

Thanks again, everyone. It turns out that all of the important buttons on my remote ARE learnable. (Wish I knew that before...) I'll look into creating an upgrade for this device.

[enchant]

Well... I don't think I'm going to follow through with creating that device. I could just go away and I doubt anyone would think of this again, but I wanted to spend a little time and point out why there might not be more people getting involved in this. It comes down to:

Way, way, way too much information.

Here's the path that I took. I didn't want to be a clueless newbie and simply ask how I do it. So I went to what appeared to be the most likely document:

"Beginners - Read this thread first"

Ok... This post is a link to about a dozen other documents. This is going to take some time to get through. The second link is titled:

"JP1 for Beginners"

Yup, that's me.

This is a very long page. If I were to print it, it would take 23 sheets of paper. But a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step and all that... Section 2 is "Getting Started". Again, that sounds like me.

The very first thing you should do is familiarize yourself with the wealth of information available at http://www.hifi-remote.com/jp1/faq.shtml and http://www.hifi-remote.com/jp1/upgrade.shtml. If you haven't already done so you should join the JP1 Group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jp1. Read as many of the forum messages as you can ...

At this point, I was getting pretty discouraged, but I figured I'd go one step further and click on the link to that first FAQ. This takes me to a list of over 50 topics.

So to get to the bottom line, my feeling is that although I'd love to be able to contribute, I'd really just like to get my remote re-programmed and not have to spend weeks learning the science to this depth.

Sorry.

[Evan_s]

Yeah it can be a bit overwhelming. The JP1 for beginners is pretty long and I don't ever actually recall finding that. It's actually also pretty old. The date on the page os 08/17/01.

The just how easy it is documents are newer less overwhelming and cover similar things. I'd recommend http://www.hifi-remote.com/jp1/help/rm.shtml for creating a new upgrade altho it really shouldn't be needed. These motorola cable boxes have been using the same remote codes for ages and are built into almost ever universal remote I've worked with in a while. I know the DVR fios boxes use the same remote codes as their cable DVRs and so should this one.

Per one 4 all's website the code for the motorola box should be 0476. Have you tried this code? If so does it work even at all?

[enchant]

Thanks, Evan. That looks like a straighter line to what I'm looking for.

Update: 0476 works for all of the most important buttons. Thanks again!

[vickyg2003]

Enchant,

I know how overwhelmed you feel right now. The learning curve on this is a little steep. Fortunately its a pretty easy process. You are going to learn a lot of codes, read them into IR, make a list of the codes and functions. Put them into KM or RM, link the buttons to the various functions, take the resulting output and paste it back into IR as an upgrade. Its really not all that hard. The tools are fabulous.

I fought using upgrades. I plugged a few keymoves in, and used a few macros and I was happy as a clam for years. Then last year I had to replace two pieces of equipment, and I HAD to learn about upgrades. I was paralyzed with fear, but it turned out to be a piece of cake. I'd suggest you try a little hands on. Its not as hard as you think. Then go back and read about extenders and special protocols. You are missing out on just how cool your jp1 remotes can be!

Good Luck