Keymoves for an unassigned device

karltinsly · Post by **karltinsly** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 10:09 pm

This is related to my earlier thread http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5300 but deals with a different aspect, so I hope a new thread is okay.
I'm having trouble figuring out how to set up keymoves. I have an upgrade with two buttons -- Power and Internet -- that I want available on the Aux device of my 9910. The aux device already has another upgrade assigned to it. I just want to make these other two functions available also. I have the functions entered on the functions tab of KM, but do I need to assign them on the buttons tab? I did try assigning them to @phantom buttons, and then binding them to the aux buttons I want to use, but that doesn't seem to work -- I don't see the keymoves in IR after I copy the stuff from KM.

So that's the stuff I've tried. Could someone give me the steps to setting up keymoves like this -- not assigned to a device button, but available on some buttons for that device.

Hope I'm making sense. TIA

karltinsly

johnsfine · Post by **johnsfine** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 4:34 am

The old way is simple enough:

In KM don't assign the functions to any buttons.
When installing the upgrade in IR, don't assign it to any device key.
In IR's KeyMoves tab, manually create the KeyMoves, selecting the bound device and key that you want to use for these functions, selecting the installed setup code and copying the EFC or Hex command from KM's functions sheet.

There may also be a way to define those KeyMoves in KM (keymoves from this upgrade to a specific device key), but I don't know that way. I have only used the opposite: KeyMoves into this upgrade from other setup codes.

karltinsly · Post by **karltinsly** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 7:49 am

Thanks. I think I got it to work -- I think what I was missing was the use of the Import button on the Keymoves tab. You use the add button to paste upgrade info on the Devices tab, but Import to paste keymove info on the Keymoves tab. Please let me know if I'm wrong on that.

I'm intereseted in what you said about moving "keymoves into this upgrade from other setup codes." How do I do that?

Thanks!

johnsfine · Post by **johnsfine** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 8:40 am

There are many different paths to getting KeyMoves defined in IR. But once you have the KeyMove it doesn't matter which path you used to get it.

karltinsly wrote:Thanks. I think I got it to work -- I think what I was missing was the use of the Import button on the Keymoves tab. You use the add button to paste upgrade info on the Devices tab, but Import to paste keymove info on the Keymoves tab. Please let me know if I'm wrong on that.

That isn't the way I described nor even a way I've ever used or understand. But if it worked for you then the problem is solved.

karltinsly wrote:I'm intereseted in what you said about moving "keymoves into this upgrade from other setup codes." How do I do that?

I rarely use KM and always forget how its advanced features work. In RM this feature is called "external functions" and its UI is quite intuitive. If you search the forum you'll probably find a dozen other threads in which I said I've forgotten how to do "external functions" in KM. In some of those threads someone reminded me.

Post by **The Robman** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 9:18 am

You need to understand that a keymove is a stand alone entity, it has no dependancy on the setup code programmed to the device button under which it's located, as it has the setup code built into itself.

Therefore, you are totally free to program keymoves from setup code #1 even though you have setup code #2 programmed to the device button. In fact, this is exactly what I was recommending that you do with your SL-400i upgrades.

The SL-400i only has three buttons, so even if you could include them all in one upgrade, it would be a waste of a device button to assign the upgrade to a device button. Therefore, I recommended that you program the three buttons as keymoves. As I don't know what the SL-400i does, I can't recommend button locations to you, so I will use a different example:

Let's say you are using a video selector device, like the Sima SVS4. This device only has 8 buttons of which you only need to use 5, those being the 4 imput selects and the POWER button. Let's say that you have the inputs wired up like this...

1 = SAT
2 = CABLE
3 = DVD
4 = VCR

On your remote you could designate one of the buttons as your video input button, for the sake of this example let's use the L1 button. You would then program a keymove against your Sima upgrade, using the EFC for "input 1", to the L1 button under the SAT device button. You would then program a similar keymove to L1 in CABLE mode using the EFC for "input 2", etc, etc.

As for the POWER button, you would probably program that to a phontom button which you would use in your POWER ON and POWER OFF macros.

Capn Trips · Post by **Capn Trips** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 9:54 am

The Robman wrote: In fact, this is exactly what I was recommending that you do with your SL-400i upgrades.

The SL-400i only has three buttons, so even if you could include them all in one upgrade, it would be a waste of a device button to assign the upgrade to a device button. Therefore, I recommended that you program the three buttons as keymoves.

Just to close the loop (or confuse the issue some more, as I am so good at) Robman, I believe you misunderstood that earlier thread as did I. I presumed the remote had only three buttons. When I finally looked at the upgrades Karl generated I realized the remote had PLENTY more buttons, but three of them performed some function related to "Power", and those were the ones Karl was focusing his problem on. One of those two used the same device code as the rest of the buttons, so he included it in that larger upgrade, but the remaining two buttons used an alternate device number, and he did precisely what you recommended - built a no-button-assignment device upgrade and used keymoves from that upgrade to compelte the other. END DIGRESSION.

karltinsly · Post by **karltinsly** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 10:26 am

Thanks for the insights, Rob. One point of clarification, primarily to avoid confusion -- the SL-400i has many buttons (30+), but I was only having trouble with the three power buttons, because two of them have a different device code from all the other buttons.

Oops, just saw that Capn Trips pointed that out -- thanks, Capn (or is that superflu?

)!

Thanks to Rob, John, and the rest of the JP1 community for the timely and friendly help!

Post by **The Robman** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:49 pm

I have just created a combined version of your two upgrades that uses the Device Combiner. While you might well be better off using keymoves for the two Dev52 buttons, I would appreciate it if you could give it a quick test for me. This upgrade file is formatted for the URC-9910 but I changed a couple of the button assignments, so don't be surprised if buttons like the MENU button don't do what you expect.

The POWER button is assigned to POWER, and the INTERNET button is assigned to ENTER.

http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... le_id=2348

karltinsly · Post by **karltinsly** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 7:25 pm

Hi Rob, I tried your upgrade. The Internet (Enter) and PC Link (TV/Vid) buttons work, but the Power button does not. When I press the Power button, the LED on the remote comes on and stays on, but nothing happens. Did I do everything right? I loaded the upgrade into KM and then pasted the protocol on the Protocols tab and the Device Upgrade Codes on the Devices tab. Thanks.