Philips SL-400i media streamer

karltinsly · Post by **karltinsly** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 12:14 pm

I'm brand new to this, but with the help of some great instructional documents and informative posts here on the forum (and about a week of studying it all), I'm finally building my first upgrade. It's for my Philips SL-400i media streamer. I learned the keys into the remote and looked at them in IR. The remote has three buttons -- power, pc link, and internet -- that all have the same efc, but in the misc column in IR it says t=1, t=0, etc. They also have different device numbers -- 52 and 53 for sure, there might be a third. Unfortunately I learned the three buttons in two separate passes, so I'll have to go back and learn them all at once to compare the values.

My question is, how do I incorporate these in KM? I can't find anywhere to put t=1 or t=0, or a way to enter different device codes. Are these what are referred to as discrete codes?

Thanks for the help and all the work that's gone before on this great and fun hobby. My new upgrade works great, except for the power buttons. I'll be sure to upload it to the files section once I have the power buttons working.

Capn Trips · Post by **Capn Trips** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 12:33 pm

Usually, if DecodeIR has decoded the signal to the extent of identifying these types of parameters, once the correct protocol is selected in KM or RM, these selections will be available, which are not typical for all protocols.

What is the complete decode information? Protocol, Device, Sub-device, if any, OBC/EFC/HEX, other data?

If still confused, upload your IR file with the learned signals to the diaagnostic area and post a link to it and someone will take a look.

Edit: Upon closer examination of some protocols available in KM/RM, the T=x parameter indicates that this protocol has a toggle bit - that actually toggles. Multiple device numbers indicate that it is a combo protocol of some sort, of which there are a few, so again, once you identify the protocol, all may fall out in KM/RM.

Post by **The Robman** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 12:41 pm

The "T" stands for "toggle", you will typically see this when you learn a Philips RC-5 signal. As you didn't mention what protocol you found, nor did you post an IR file containing the learned signals, I can't really offer any help at this point.

Given that your signal evidently has a toggle bit in it, I would suggest that you learn each of the three buttons twice.

Something like this...

1 = power
2 = power
3 = pc link
4 = pc link
5 = internet
6 = internet

You should notice the toggle bit change between the 1st and 2nd learn of each button.

If you really are seeing the same OBC for each button with different device codes, then to incorporate these three buttons into one upgrade, you would need to use the "RC-5/5x Combo" protocol in KM or RM.

Now, depending on what the device codes really are, if the device codes are used by built in setup codes, it might be a better idea to just create 3 keymoves for these buttons.

karltinsly · Post by **karltinsly** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 12:56 pm

Thanks so much for the speedy reply. I meant to put in my first message that the protocol is RC6. I'll post the other in-depth info when I get home tonight. Thanks again!

johnsfine · Post by **johnsfine** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 12:59 pm

karltinsly wrote:that all have the same efc, but in the misc column in IR it says t=1, t=0, etc. They also have different device numbers -- 52 and 53 for sure, there might be a third.

Philips protocols contain something called a "toggle bit" that changes each time you press a key. That is reported by the decoder as T=0 or T=1, but for your purposes you can ignore those.

A JP1 upgrade will correctly generate the toggling T values without anything being set for them in KM.

Having the EFC unchanged and the device different for each command is a harder problem. Usually that means the decoder is wrong. But in this case I think it means Philips used one of their own protocols in an unusual way for this device.

If you need more detailed help, we'll need to get a copy of the .ir file containing those learned signals.

johnsfine · Post by **johnsfine** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 1:02 pm

karltinsly wrote: the protocol is RC6.

RC6 is both a specific protocol and a family of protocols.

Normally I'd assume you meant the specific protocol (just "RC6" as the protocol name) but since the device number varies so strangely, that makes it more likely it is some unusual member of the RC6 protocol family.

The diagnosis area is here:
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... &cat_id=35

Upload the .ir file of learned signals there if you want us to answer accurately rather than guess.

karltinsly · Post by **karltinsly** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 7:10 pm

Okay, I learned the keys and posted the IR file to the diagnosis area here:

http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... le_id=2337

I learned each key twice, to capture the toggle bit -- it does indeed change from 0 to 1. More interesting is probably the different OBCs and device codes. Please let me know what you find. Thanks!

karltinsly · Post by **karltinsly** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 7:37 pm

I thought I'd go ahead and post the details from my IR file:

Button Device OBC EFC
Power 52 12 050
Internet 52 63 187
PC Link 53 63 187

They all say RC6.

Post by **The Robman** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 8:12 pm

Try these...

Upgrade Code 0 = 07 D0 (Cable/2000)
58 00 10 03 80 34 0C 3F
End

Upgrade Code 0 = 07 D1 (Cable/2001)
58 00 00 03 80 35 3F
End

Upgrade 1
POWER = Power
MENU = Internet

Upgrade 2
MENU = PC Link

If these work, you could keep them as upgrades and use keymoves against them to program the buttons, rather than use up 2 device buttons with them.

karltinsly · Post by **karltinsly** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 8:37 pm

Thanks, those worked great! Are they two upgrades because of the two device numbers? Since I would like to upload my upgrade for others -- I made mine because I couldn't find one for this unit here -- what would be the best way to handle the buttons?

Thanks again!

Post by **The Robman** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 9:35 pm

That's a tricky one as we don't have an RC6 combo protocol. I'd suggest creating two KM files (one for each device code) and a readme file that explains that the best way to implement them is to use keymoves, then zip all three files together and load the zip file.

karltinsly · Post by **karltinsly** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 10:57 pm

Thanks, Rob. I did as you suggested and uploaded to the files section. I also deleted the diagnosis file.

Post by **The Robman** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 6:08 am

Thanks Karl. However, whenever you make reference to a file, it's always a good idea to post a link to it, as it saves the next person from having to do a search.

Here's the file for the Philips SL-400i media streamer:
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... le_id=2340

karltinsly · Post by **karltinsly** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 10:43 am

Oops, sorry about that. Thanks for posting the link for me.

Post by **The Robman** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:46 pm

Having discovered a bit more info about this device (in this thread), I have created an upgrade for it that uses the Device Combiner...

http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... le_id=2348

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