URC-8810 and Symphonic WF-719

Post by **The Robman** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 6:57 pm

If I understand you correctly, you want every button in SAT mode to work your SAT receiver, except for the three volume buttons, which you want to control your TV set, correct? This is what we call VPT or "Volume Punch Through".

If you were a non-JP1 user, you would simply assign the SAT code to the SAT button and the TV code to the TV button, then you would use the 993 task to set all the volume buttons to punch through to TV mode.

Being a JP1 user, you can set the VPT setting in the main panel of IR.

There's no need to use the Device Combiner just for this.

dongentry · Post by **dongentry** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 7:06 pm

You are correct, that's what I would like.
To use VPT one of the (I'm not sure how to say this) code sets has to be native to the remote don't they? (Native means the remote came from the factory with the codes preprogrammed into it). My understanding is that I can't load two upgrades at the same time.
I'll post the RM and IR files I created if you want.
Don

Post by **The Robman** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 8:28 pm

No, what you are mis-remembering is that VPT breaks if you change the device type of a device button. For example, if you program a VCR code to the SAT button, that would break VPT. It has nothing to do with whether the codes are native to the remote itself. As long as you created the upgrades in RM using SAT mode for the SAT upgrade and TV mode for the TV upgrade, VPT will work.

dongentry · Post by **dongentry** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 10:02 pm

I see what your saying. That's what I'm doing with my Akai tv and Sat receiver. But the codes for the tv (0060) came with the remote so I only had to load the sat codes (1377) with IR.
But on the Symphonic neither the Sat nor the TV codes are in the remote when I got it. So I have to use IR to load both the tv codes (1171) and the sat codes (1377). The only way I see to do that is to use device combiner.
Unless there is a way to load two sets of codes ( tv and sat) with IR.
The second upload to the remote wipes out the first upload.
I'm getting a little verbose but I'm trying to make myself clear so as to not take up all your time.
Sorry to be such a pain but this tv - sat combination isn't your normal circumstance. That I see anyway.
Don

Post by **The Robman** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 10:31 pm

dongentry wrote:Unless there is a way to load two sets of codes ( tv and sat) with IR. The second upload to the remote wipes out the first upload.

Where did you get that idea? Do you think we've all managed to get our remotes totally programmed with just one upgrade?

Bottom line is this, you can load as many upgrades as you like until you run out of memory.

dongentry · Post by **dongentry** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 10:36 pm

Hold everything. I had a brain storm.
I think I got it, finally.
I loaded IR and set the tv code to 1177 and the sat code to 1377 on the general tab.
I loaded the sat codes in RM and copied the device and protocol from the output tab into the respective tabs in IR.
Then I loaded the tv codes in RM and copied the device codes to IR.
Viola! I combined them without Device combiner.
Nowhere in the documentation I have did that appear. And I have all the doc I could find.
I'll see if it works tomorrow.

gfb107 · Post by **gfb107** » Wed Dec 08, 2004 6:38 am

Sounds like what you should be doing is using VPT (Volume Punch Through), which allows you to set one device to be used for volume regardless of the currently active device.

All you need to do is install the TV and Satellite upgrades separately into IR,
assign them to the TV and SAT buttons, and set the "VPT Device" to TV. This is done on the Setup panel, in the "Other Settings" area. You may also have to set the "VPT Status" to "On".

When the remote is in TV mode, all buttons (as assigned in the .rmdu) will control the TV. When the remote is in SAT mode, the volume buttons (Vol+, Vol-, Mute) will control the TV, and all other buttons (as assigned in the .rmdu) will control the Satellite.

johnsfine · Post by **johnsfine** » Wed Dec 08, 2004 7:07 am

The Robman wrote:
dongentry wrote:Unless there is a way to load two sets of codes ( tv and sat) with IR. The second upload to the remote wipes out the first upload.
Where did you get that idea?

I'm sure he got it from discussions of .wav files.

When you load upgrades via .wav file they replaces any loaded by previous wav files. In fact when you load (from IR to the remote) via cable that also replaces everything previous.

Either way, you accumulate at the step where you transfer each upgrade from RM to IR. That step allows an upgrade to be added to an eeprom image containing other upgrades.

You can't accumulate during the transfer from IR to the remote (either way). So you accumulate before that step.

dongentry · Post by **dongentry** » Wed Dec 08, 2004 12:46 pm

I don't think I want to get into .wav files I got everything to work like I want it ---finally!
I am using VPT on both setups. I knew how to do that all along.
What I was saying was when you load a second upgrade to the remote via the JP1 cable it wipes out the first.
I finally realized that all the combining of device upgrades had to be done in IR.
I, misakenly, was trying to combine the upgrades in RM. That's why I was into device combiner.
I have most of the whole picture now.
I thank you guys for being patient with me (I'm kinda dense sometimes - then all of a sudden the light shines through.
Also I'm sorry if I caused any ill feelings.
Again, Thanks.
Don

johnsfine · Post by **johnsfine** » Wed Dec 08, 2004 12:53 pm

dongentry wrote:I don't think I want to get into .wav files

You couldn't anyway. The 8810 doesn't do .wav files. I just jumped to the conclusion that you'd seen a discussion of that, which usually includes mention of the fact that it replaces the entire previous set of upgrades.