Is there a trick to the search function here

marshalleq · Post by **marshalleq** » Sat Mar 29, 2025 2:09 am

Because the advanced search seems to only give me 404 errors. At a guess, the web site was upgraded some time in the past and the urls have changed or something.... I notice there's no https.

Oh I just figured it out, it's exactly that - google is looking for https addresses, so I just need to take the s out and it works.

If anyone knows how to tag the admin to let them know, please do.

Post by **The Robman** » Sat Mar 29, 2025 10:24 am

I just testing the search link and it works fine for me, so could you please explain in greater detail what issue you're having?

By way of background, the original search function that came with the forum software stopped working a long time back because the database table that holds all of the search words overflowed, so I started using a Google search instead.

marshalleq · Post by **marshalleq** » Sat Mar 29, 2025 1:59 pm

Interesting. OK I've had a little bit more of a deeper look.

The issue also happened when clicking on the link from the message that you wrote this reply.

What I can see is, the url in the generated alert your system sent me is plain http. When I click it though, it is converted into https and comes up with a message from Accessible Content Production Group LLC, 'Not Found, error 404'.

A quick search around a suspicion landed me on this page. So it would seem that anyone with a Safari browser gets this problem. Notably this includes if they come here from searching from google and follow the link.

While there IS a workaround for this now within Safari, I'd suggest you might like to figure out a way to resolve it so that all Mac users don't think your site is dead - like I did for several days before typing something in manually. The most obvious one would be enabling https on your site, but there might also be another way because the article says 'some' http only sites.

Not sure where your site is hosted, but https isn't too hard to get running these days with free letsencrypt certificates and has the advantage that all our passwords to your site won't be sent in visible unencrypted text.

Will leave that up to you and in the mean time look to see how I can implement a local fix for me. Thanks for following up.

marshalleq · Post by **marshalleq** » Sat Mar 29, 2025 2:14 pm

A little bit more info, apparently it's a cache that if I've ever used https on your site before, it will not check any more and just assume it for all future visits. So the question is when did I ever get an https link if it's an http only site. Either way, this might not be so bad for you as it might mean it's specific to me. Or it might be something when I searched that sent me to https, for example if perhaps you had https before and google cached that, or a link from another site had an https link. Who knows. I don't have another Mac to test this, but if someone else does reading this then that'd be appreciated.

Post by **The Robman** » Sat Mar 29, 2025 3:56 pm

You lost me with all that. The only way to do a search within the forum is to click on the search link at the top of this page (under the JP1 Remotes heading), there isn't a search link in my reply message.

I've never used Safari before, and I've never heard of any Mac users having a problem with this site.

This site has always been http only, no https.

marshalleq · Post by **marshalleq** » Sat Mar 29, 2025 4:43 pm

The Robman wrote:You lost me with all that. The only way to do a search within the forum is to click on the search link at the top of this page (under the JP1 Remotes heading), there isn't a search link in my reply message.

I've never used Safari before, and I've never heard of any Mac users having a problem with this site.

This site has always been http only, no https.

The link in the message from your reply I'm referring to is the email that is sent out from your site with a link in it. Which is http. Yeah so somehow my computer thinks every link in your site is https. Apparently it will reset eventually and try again, though this could be years. Other option is to completely delete everything in my browser by deleting all its config and it'll try again. I guess it's going to be that. If I do it and it does the same thing I'll let you know, otherwise I guess it's a me and my machine issue not a site issue.

Answering your other question, apparently how safari works nowadays is if it ever get's an https link to your site, it'll assume the whole site is https until some date in the future when it checks again. Something to do with HSTS. So my only question is how did I ever get an https link for an http only site.

Post by **vickyg2003** » Sat Mar 29, 2025 7:19 pm

Around 2022 give or take a year, when all the browsers dropped the lock symbol for Https and started displaying ?Not Secure? for HTTP many browsers would not even allow you into an HTTP site without tweaking your browser settings. For those of us that dabble in JP1 this is no big deal.

In real life I deal with senior citizen techno phobes and when they made this change i had to get HTTPS certificates for the sites I manage. I was not looking forward to that because back in the 1990s that was an expensive complicated process involving a background check for all our employees and we had to take and pass training. Now all that is involved is getting a text file from your domain registrar and placing it in the root directory of your site. I think it cost us less than $5 to get the certificate.

Barf · Post by **Barf** » Mon Mar 31, 2025 11:58 am

Firefox, and likely many other browsers, works fine with this site. If Safari does not, install another browser.

If Apple/Safari selects to enforce a "rule" that is not a rule, they are to blame.

In the light of the current state of affairs, https, (as well as IPv6), are not exactly essential.

the advantage that all our passwords to your site won't be sent in visible unencrypted text.

Don't use the same password on different sites! In particular not from http-sites ...