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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

unclemiltie wrote:
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With the Atlas OCAP remote, LongPress in Other Settings has a choice of Deactivate or BL Toggle. Does this mean if I want to turn off the backlight, then I will be unable to deactivate the extender? Is this safe? Same question goes for the other way around. Can I have both at once?"

If you are going to use the Long Press (Setup) to toggle the Backlight then you could put a keymove on another key to deactivate the extender. Either that or if you need to deactivate you can just change the setting, re-load the remote and then deactivate. (The 15-100 has an option to set the clock on long press of Setup)

I'm digging back into the memory here but I *think* I put that part in for the deactivation of all of the remotes when I built the combined extender and then had to deal with the conflict that was (IIRC) only there on those two remotes on that button. Looking at the source code and the revision history I put that selection in in March of 2009!

If you want to load a keymove on some other key (like maybe Shift-Shift) you would use Protocol 180, which is the activate/deactivate protocol. If you put the first key in the keymove (it has to have two keys in it due to a limitation in the unextended remote, discussed elsewhere) as a $01 it will deactivate. Everything else will activate.


Thank you, that is very helpful.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2022 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there a technical reason why extenders have only 8 toad togs available, or was this just assumed to be "enough"?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2022 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is there a technical reason why extenders have only 8 toad togs available, or was this just assumed to be "enough"?

I'm just guessing here, but each toadtog uses a "bit" of data, so 8 of them would use a "byte". To increase the number, we'd need to grab a second byte of data (ie, another internal register). So yeah, the thinking was probably that 8 was enough, after all, how many people try to control more than 8 devices with a single remote?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2022 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is there a technical reason why extenders have only 8 toad togs available, or was this just assumed to be "enough"?

I'm just guessing here, but each toadtog uses a "bit" of data, so 8 of them would use a "byte". To increase the number, we'd need to grab a second byte of data (ie, another internal register). So yeah, the thinking was probably that 8 was enough, after all, how many people try to control more than 8 devices with a single remote?

Why are you assuming one toadtog per device? I have been using all 8 for a while now. Toadtogs are the only way to remember states or create if/then logic in macros.

If anyone ever feels like working on this old code again, and it is easy to do, more toadtogs would be a very useful upgrade.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2022 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had an older model RCA TV that had no discretes at all, so I made judicious use of toadtogs to "create" them. I had several different toadtogs for that one device -- one tracked the on/off state of the TV, which was straightforward, but then I used several toadtogs to track which video input was selected. I recall there being four different input choices available, so I think I used four toadtogs to track that state. (On this TV, the number of up/down presses to get to the desired input depended on which input was selected, and there was no button to press that would put the input back to a "known" state.)

On a good day, these toadtogs worked well, but more often than not, they went out of synch and it became very painful to synch them back up again.

So, while I can see there being a potential use for multiple toadtogs for a device, in practice I had so much trouble keeping them in synch I just abandoned using them. So, based on my experience only, I'm not sure more toadtogs would be useful.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2022 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ed wrote:
I had an older model RCA TV that had no discretes at all, so I made judicious use of toadtogs to "create" them. I had several different toadtogs for that one device -- one tracked the on/off state of the TV, which was straightforward, but then I used several toadtogs to track which video input was selected. I recall there being four different input choices available, so I think I used four toadtogs to track that state. (On this TV, the number of up/down presses to get to the desired input depended on which input was selected, and there was no button to press that would put the input back to a "known" state.)

On a good day, these toadtogs worked well, but more often than not, they went out of synch and it became very painful to synch them back up again.

So, while I can see there being a potential use for multiple toadtogs for a device, in practice I had so much trouble keeping them in synch I just abandoned using them. So, based on my experience only, I'm not sure more toadtogs would be useful.

Yes, I agree, this is a huge problem if you can't find any way to get back to a known state. I have found many uses which work well for me. I have to choose my "top 8" and drop the rest.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2022 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why are you assuming one toadtog per device? I have been using all 8 for a while now. Toadtogs are the only way to remember states or create if/then logic in macros.

I wasn't, I was just guessing as to the original intent. I didn't write the extender.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2022 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I wasn't, I was just guessing as to the original intent. I didn't write the extender.

All of the extenders seem to have this same limitation, which is why I wondered if it is because of a fixed technical limit, or if they all made the same design choice for some reason. Hopefully the authors will chime in with an explanation.
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