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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 3:07 am    Post subject: Total newbie trying to progam URC-1210 for Cyrus Tuner Reply with quote

Hi All,

I am more than beginner here but I am learning.
My problem:
I have a Cyrus tuner (the first model having RC) which works only with remote control... and the latter is lost!
I bought a One for all URC-1210 universal remote control (because I know it should work with this device model).
I have all RC-5 codes for this tuner from the manufacturer but I don't understand how to program them with the remote.
I do understand that I have to press "magic/setup" button, it blinks twice and then...
But I missing the big picture...
I have the feeling that I have first to find some similar device using RC-5 codes as well and the use the keymove feature 994 to assign it to fitting keys .
But I don't know which other tuner uses this protocol and could be well-known to be pre-recorded in the memory list of my URC-1210.
In other words...
I think I have to recreate one by one all functions and assign it to a button on the remote (because my tuner is not listed and pre-recorded on the one known by the URC-1210), correct ?
Or I am totaly misleading ?
But how to start with ?
e.g. I want to assign the volume-up (code rc-5 = 16) to the volume touch of my RC.

Thanks a lot

Laurent

here is the RC-5 original code from Cyrus manufacturer:

https://legacy.cyrusaudio.com/support/pdf-brochures-manuals/legacy-products/tuners/cyrus-tuner/258-cyrus-original-tuner-remote-codes/file

here is the picture of the tuner:
https://www.radiomuseum.org/r/mission_gb_cyrus_amfm_stereo_remote_controlled_tuner.html
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reading between the lines, it sounds like, even though you posted this in one of the JP1 forums, you're not really using JP1 to program the remote, am I right?

In which case, the normal procedure it to, first find a setup code in the manual and then program it to a device button. But in this case, I don't see Cyrus listed in the code list, so the next option is to use the 991 search method also described in the manual.

Looking at the RC5 list that you posted, the important thing to take note of is not that the code for VOL+ is 16, but rather the device code for all the buttons is 17.

The main setup codes that I see that use RC-5 dev 17 are:
Audio/0189
Audio/0222
Audio/0275
Audio/0642
Audio/1120
Audio/1214
Audio/1978
Audio/2677
TV/0405
TV/1397
TV/4501 *
Video/0189

And the only one of them that I see in your remote is TV/4501, so give that one a shot. I don't know if the buttons are lined up properly, if some work but others need to be re-programmed using 5-digit EFC codes, here's the list that you posted converted into EFC codes:

00173 - 0
00205 - 1
00109 - 2
00141 - 3
00045 - 4
00077 - 5
00237 - 6
00013 - 7
00172 - 8
00204 - 9
00076 - Review
00207 - Store
00078 - FM/AM
00014 - Manual
00177 - Volume +
00209 - Volume -
00208 - Store
00115 - <Seek
00051 - Seek>
00018 - Standby

I just posted the codes from the Cyrus Tuner column, if you think you need the codes from the RC5 Tuner column, I can post those too. If the volume +/1 button codes above don't work, try 00175 and 00207 instead. If those work, then it looks like you need the RC5 Tuner codes instead of the Cyrus codes
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 6:21 am    Post subject: Thanks a lot ! Reply with quote

Hi Rob,

I don't know how to thank you Very Happy
And yes indeed, I posted it at the wrong place. I didn't notice, I am sorry.
Nevetherless, I want to give you feedback.
Yes, you're great !!! it worked, not totally bust mostly.
Indeed, I had to re-program almost all keys.
To answer your question, I have to use the Cyrus code (not the RC-5).
And I still have few questions:
- How did you translated the code from Cyrus into 5-digit-EFC ?
- The button "STORE" react weirdly, could it be a mistake ?
- linked to the above, I discovered that 3 codes/keys are missing and not discribed in the list I provided (there is maybe then a mismatch with the STORE button and could be DISPLAY):
I miss the 3 functions:
- button "MONO"
- button "MUTE"
- button "DISPLAY"

How can I retreive them, I mean the EFC codes?

Thanks again, you resurected my tuner, because it cannot work without remote (No buttons on the case)... very stupid.

Have a nice day Rob

Kind Regards from Switzerland

Laurent
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's what I did, I used the RMIR program, which is the main program that we use to program our JP1 remotes. The device upgrade part of that program is called RM, we use that to create new upgrades for our devices. I selected the RC-5 protocol and entered 17 as the device code, then I went to the functions tab and entered all the functions from your list, along with their OBC codes (that's the number that's different for each function). RM will then calculate all the EFC codes, which it displays mainly as an FYI. I would expect that your missing functions use one of the codes where there's an RC5 function listed with no Cyrus function listed.

As for STORE, there were 2 STORE functions listed, one with 00207 and one with 00208, so did you try both?

I have created a JP1 upgrade, just for any JP1 users who might stumble across this thread:
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=26294
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's the complete list of EFC codes. The just listed as "OBC xx" are the ones you should try for the missing functions.

Code:
EFC   - OBC- Function
00173 - 00 - 0
00205 - 01 - 1
00109 - 02 - 2
00141 - 03 - 3
00045 - 04 - 4
00077 - 05 - 5
00237 - 06 - 6
00013 - 07 - 7
00172 - 08 - 8
00204 - 09 - 9
00108 - 10 - OBC 10
00140 - 11 - OBC 11
00044 - 12 - OBC 12
00076 - 13 - Review
00236 - 14 - OBC 14
00012 - 15 - OBC 15
00175 - 16 - OBC 16
00207 - 17 - Store
00111 - 18 - OBC 18
00143 - 19 - OBC 19
00047 - 20 - OBC 20
00079 - 21 - OBC 21
00239 - 22 - OBC 22
00015 - 23 - OBC 23
00174 - 24 - OBC 24
00206 - 25 - OBC 25
00110 - 26 - OBC 26
00142 - 27 - OBC 27
00046 - 28 - OBC 28
00078 - 29 - FM/AM
00238 - 30 - OBC 30
00014 - 31 - Manual
00177 - 32 - Volume +
00209 - 33 - Volume -
00113 - 34 - OBC 34
00145 - 35 - OBC 35
00049 - 36 - OBC 36
00081 - 37 - OBC 37
00241 - 38 - OBC 38
00017 - 39 - OBC 39
00176 - 40 - OBC 40
00208 - 41 - Store execute
00112 - 42 - OBC 42
00144 - 43 - OBC 43
00048 - 44 - OBC 44
00080 - 45 - OBC 45
00240 - 46 - OBC 46
00016 - 47 - OBC 47
00179 - 48 - OBC 48
00211 - 49 - OBC 49
00115 - 50 - <Seek
00147 - 51 - OBC 51
00051 - 52 - Seek>
00083 - 53 - OBC 53
00243 - 54 - OBC 54
00019 - 55 - OBC 55
00178 - 56 - OBC 56
00210 - 57 - OBC 57
00114 - 58 - OBC 58
00146 - 59 - OBC 59
00050 - 60 - OBC 60
00082 - 61 - OBC 61
00242 - 62 - OBC 62
00018 - 63 - Standby

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, if you have any interest in programming this remote using JP1, I believe it has a JP1 connector because we did have someone ask about it before but they dropped the ball with it. If you were to buy an FTDI FT232RL cable you could try it with the remote. You can get them on ebay for under $10 USD shipped. I would still need to build you an RDF for it, which I'd be happy to do.

There's more info on the FTDI cables here:
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=16360
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 12:34 am    Post subject: EFC corrected list for Cyrus tuner Reply with quote

Hi Rob,

Thanks again for your so valuable help!
I checked all EFC one by one and it allowed me to find EVERYTHING and even correct mistake from Cyrus Electronics file!
As I suspected STORE function was wrong indeed !

I have created a tutorial for this tuner thanks to you and the completed OFC list updated, completed, checked and tested!
Please share it with everybody who needs it.
But I don't know how to do it proprely, I am a bit confuse with the Post functions...

Here is the full OFC corrected list:
Code:
OBC EFC  Cyrus Function
0  00173 0
1  00205 1
2  00109 2
3  00141 3
4  00045 4
5  00077 5
6  00237 6
7  00013 7
8  00172 8
9  00204 9
10 00108 Store
13 00076 Review
17 00207 Display on/off
29 00078 FM/AM
30 00238 MONO/STEREO
31 00014 Manual
32 00177 Volume +
33 00209 Volume -
50 00115 <Seek
52 00051 Seek>
54 00243 MUTE
63 00018 Standby

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe I can send you the files by pm.
Have a nice day and thanks again Rob.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Laurent, I have updated the JP1 upgrade that I created earlier as that is what would be most helpful to any other JP1 user here.

Feel free to load the files you mentioned into the Diagnosis Area and then post a link to them here and I'll take a look at them.

To load a file:
1. Scroll to the top of the page and click on the File Section link
2. 3rd item down is the Diagnosis Area, click on it
3. In the upper portion of the screen, below the FAQ, etc links are buttons, 2nd from the right is UPLOAD, click it
4. Fill in the data and select your file, then click ADD FILE.
5. Once it's loaded, click the File Section link again
6. Scroll down to the Diagnosis Area again, then look over to the right, in the "Last File" column, you will see a link to your new file.
7. Right-click on the file and select "Copy Link Address"
8. Come back to this thread and "Paste" (CNTL+V) the link.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2021 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good morning Rob,

Yes sure , but sorry I don't find this diagnosis area.
Just post the link to avoid missunderstanding.

Meanwhile I wish you Happy Easter

Laurent
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2021 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are the instructions again with illustrations.
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=102759
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2021 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Laurent, if that's still not clear, let me know where you're getting stuck.
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