This doc file is meant to help with the installation and utilization of the 6012 extender. I've made some modifications to the document (as suggested) and re-uploaded it. You can find it at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jp1/files ... C_v1.1.zip
Although built around the usage of the 6012/88xx extender, it contains valuable information to anyone who wants to venture into this fascinating area.
Feel free to advice, suggest and correct!
A new 6012/80xx/88xx extender help file revision
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fichmana2003
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It's great, but of course I always have an issue with some detail.
In this case, it's the extreme warning about losing learning. I'd really prefer if that were a little less scary and more informative.
I don't want to ask to make it too verbose (that would break up the flow of the start of the document) so if it can't communicate the right ideas concisely (I sure can't) it should include a "see section XXX" so that anyone scared or confused about the loss of learning might go directly to that section.
I especially disliked the uses of "Installing an extender" (in three places) in those warnings. In that context a sentence using "while an extender is installed" would be more accurate and less scary.
If a section XXX is used, the key ideas we want the reader to get are:
1) With a backup you can restore all your previous settings, if you decide to deinstall the extender.
2) Without a backup you can deinstall the extender with a 981 reset operation, which also returns all the settings to factory default.
3) While the extender is installed you can neither learn new signals nor use previous learned signals.
4) You can temporarily deinstall the extender in order to learn more signals to be decoded and converted to a form other than learned, so you can then use them with the extender.
5) You should back up after installing the extender (as well as before) so that you can reinstall it easily if you intentionally or accidently deinstall it.
You also may want an appendix specifically on deactivating and deinstalling the extender (or is that information already in there and I missed it)?
Deactivate with either:
1) Any upload or download using IR.EXE
or
2) Press any key while a battery is missing.
Deinstall with either:
1) Upload (with IR.EXE) any valid image that doesn't include the extender.
or
2) Deactivate, then do a 981 reset.
In this case, it's the extreme warning about losing learning. I'd really prefer if that were a little less scary and more informative.
I don't want to ask to make it too verbose (that would break up the flow of the start of the document) so if it can't communicate the right ideas concisely (I sure can't) it should include a "see section XXX" so that anyone scared or confused about the loss of learning might go directly to that section.
I especially disliked the uses of "Installing an extender" (in three places) in those warnings. In that context a sentence using "while an extender is installed" would be more accurate and less scary.
If a section XXX is used, the key ideas we want the reader to get are:
1) With a backup you can restore all your previous settings, if you decide to deinstall the extender.
2) Without a backup you can deinstall the extender with a 981 reset operation, which also returns all the settings to factory default.
3) While the extender is installed you can neither learn new signals nor use previous learned signals.
4) You can temporarily deinstall the extender in order to learn more signals to be decoded and converted to a form other than learned, so you can then use them with the extender.
5) You should back up after installing the extender (as well as before) so that you can reinstall it easily if you intentionally or accidently deinstall it.
You also may want an appendix specifically on deactivating and deinstalling the extender (or is that information already in there and I missed it)?
Deactivate with either:
1) Any upload or download using IR.EXE
or
2) Press any key while a battery is missing.
Deinstall with either:
1) Upload (with IR.EXE) any valid image that doesn't include the extender.
or
2) Deactivate, then do a 981 reset.
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fichmana2003
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fichmana2003
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- Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2003 4:12 pm
Ok, I re-uploaded with the changes you suggested, John. Please go over it and tell me what you think (look for changes right before the 13 installation stages and right after them)...
Also, since English is not my native language (though I'm not too bad at it), if you run across grammatical errors or "heavy" language/phrasing, tell me what you think is the correct way to put things.
Also, since English is not my native language (though I'm not too bad at it), if you run across grammatical errors or "heavy" language/phrasing, tell me what you think is the correct way to put things.
alexf
Looks good.fichmana2003 wrote:Ok, I re-uploaded with the changes you suggested, John. Please go over it and tell me what you think (look for changes right before the 13 installation stages and right after them)...
I couldn't guess that from your posts nor from your documentation writing and editing. I think your English is at least as good as my own and better than most of what gets posted by native speakers of English.fichmana2003 wrote: Also, since English is not my native language.
I'd like to add another suggestion.
With the advent of IR5.00 being able to create and decode special protocols I'd like to see some examples in the documentation. Perhaps some screen prints of what some of the macros and keymoves may look like.
For instance when I was first triyng to use the extender I had a lot of difficulty following the ToadTog explanation. Later I realized that the ExtenderCodeCalc handled it. Now of course you can do this in IR.
I know that I could have really used some real live examples of what all this stuff might look like in IR.
Another possibility may be to include an IR file in the ZIP that the user could load and follow along with the explanation. Remember that you can add all types of notes to assist the user from within IR.
BTW...I loved what you've done with the document.
With the advent of IR5.00 being able to create and decode special protocols I'd like to see some examples in the documentation. Perhaps some screen prints of what some of the macros and keymoves may look like.
For instance when I was first triyng to use the extender I had a lot of difficulty following the ToadTog explanation. Later I realized that the ExtenderCodeCalc handled it. Now of course you can do this in IR.
I know that I could have really used some real live examples of what all this stuff might look like in IR.
Another possibility may be to include an IR file in the ZIP that the user could load and follow along with the explanation. Remember that you can add all types of notes to assist the user from within IR.
BTW...I loved what you've done with the document.
Paul
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chinoverme1
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Hi:
I have an 8811 remote and I've being reading Alexander Fichman's notes on the 6012/881x Extender (which is very interesting) but I don't get clear the TOADTOG concept.
In the example he uses:
VCR/Phantom1 VCR/DVD:1800 $09 $28
I understand by this that when the VCR is ON it executes $28 (which is L4) and forces VCR OFF. IF VCR is Off nothing happens.
VCR/Phantom2 VCR/DVD:1800 $88 $28
I understand by this that when the VCR is ON nothing happens . IF VCR is OFF it executes $28 (which is L4) and forces VCR ON.
What I don't understand is when it says it executes L4 because L4 has not an specific function.
VCR/Phantom3 VCR/DVD:1800 $01 $28 $28
I understand here that it toggles bit and allways run L4.
The same doubt, L4 has not an specific function.
Thanks
Luis Verme
I have an 8811 remote and I've being reading Alexander Fichman's notes on the 6012/881x Extender (which is very interesting) but I don't get clear the TOADTOG concept.
In the example he uses:
VCR/Phantom1 VCR/DVD:1800 $09 $28
I understand by this that when the VCR is ON it executes $28 (which is L4) and forces VCR OFF. IF VCR is Off nothing happens.
VCR/Phantom2 VCR/DVD:1800 $88 $28
I understand by this that when the VCR is ON nothing happens . IF VCR is OFF it executes $28 (which is L4) and forces VCR ON.
What I don't understand is when it says it executes L4 because L4 has not an specific function.
VCR/Phantom3 VCR/DVD:1800 $01 $28 $28
I understand here that it toggles bit and allways run L4.
The same doubt, L4 has not an specific function.
Thanks
Luis Verme
L4 is actually where the power command has been coded.
In my case the TT's look like this:
DVD Phantom1 ToadTog (2) VCR/DVD1800 $A8 $83
DVD Phantom2 ToadTog (2) VCR/DVD1800 $29 $83
$83 is Shift-Power which is equivalent to pressing the power button after selecting DVD as the device. (VCR/1800 is symply the Upgrade/Protocl the handles ToadTogs). Using IRv5.00 and above you can see this when using the Special Protocol Builder from the KeyMove dialog).
So don't get confused by the L4. In the case of the example it's the same thing as the $83 does for my DVD player and why you see the same code used in the On as well as the Off ToadTog.
I hope this helps.
In my case the TT's look like this:
DVD Phantom1 ToadTog (2) VCR/DVD1800 $A8 $83
DVD Phantom2 ToadTog (2) VCR/DVD1800 $29 $83
$83 is Shift-Power which is equivalent to pressing the power button after selecting DVD as the device. (VCR/1800 is symply the Upgrade/Protocl the handles ToadTogs). Using IRv5.00 and above you can see this when using the Special Protocol Builder from the KeyMove dialog).
So don't get confused by the L4. In the case of the example it's the same thing as the $83 does for my DVD player and why you see the same code used in the On as well as the Off ToadTog.
I hope this helps.
Paul