View previous topic :: View next topic |
Author |
Message |
bevhoward
Joined: 24 Jun 2005 Posts: 248
|
Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 6:54 pm Post subject: Alternate PID ( |
|
|
I'm trying to get restarted after a few years away plus switching to RemoteMaster (v2.02 Beta) after a few years using Keymapmaster.
My first task is to get the "Philips 47PFL7422D LCD All Functions" update http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=8024 loaded onto a 6131nw.
Of course, as soon as I loaded the above rmdu with the 6131nw selected, I get;
"Protocol ID conflicts with a built-in protocol. To use both this and the built-in protocol in device upgrades, this one needs to be given an Alternate PID."
The rmdu's default's are;
remote = URC-8820
pid = "RC6/5 Combo" (01 84)
This update includes the note;
"Combines up to three RC6 device codes with all RC5 device codes."
Can anyone clarify what's going on?
Also, which protocol I should fall back to and how do I change it without loosing all of the command settings? (If I change the protocol, all function assignments are wiped out)
Thanks in advance,
Beverly Howard |
|
Back to top |
|
|
mdavej Expert
Joined: 08 Oct 2003 Posts: 4501
|
Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:23 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Hmm... I can't replicate your issue. Works fine for me on 2.02 beta 1.5r.
Here are the commands from it, if that helps. Forgive the terrible formatting. I can't seem to fix it.
(EDIT: Thanks for fixing it, Rob!)
Code: | Name EFC5 EFC Type 5Dev 5OBC 6Dev 6OBC Hex Notes
0 19000 018 RC6 31 0 n/a 0 00 FD
1 16952 010 RC6 30 0 n/a 1 01 FD
2 23096 034 RC6 29 0 n/a 2 02 FD
3 21048 026 RC6 28 0 n/a 3 03 FD
4 10808 242 RC6 27 0 n/a 4 04 FD
5 08760 234 RC6 26 0 n/a 5 05 FD
6 14904 002 RC6 25 0 n/a 6 06 FD
7 12856 250 RC6 24 0 n/a 7 07 FD
8 35384 082 RC6 23 0 n/a 8 08 FD
9 33336 074 RC6 22 0 n/a 9 09 FD
PREV CH 39480 098 RC6 21 0 n/a 10 0A FD
POWER 27192 050 RC6 19 0 n/a 12 0C FD
MUTE 25144 042 RC6 18 0 n/a 13 0D FD
INFO 29240 058 RC6 16 0 n/a 15 0F FD
VOL + 51768 146 RC6 15 0 n/a 16 10 FD
VOL - 49720 138 RC6 14 0 n/a 17 11 FD
BRIGHT + 55864 162 RC6 13 0 n/a 18 12 FD
BRIGHT - 53816 154 RC6 12 0 n/a 19 13 FD
COLOR + 43576 114 RC6 11 0 n/a 20 14 FD
COLOR - 41528 106 RC6 10 0 n/a 21 15 FD
CH + 19256 019 RC6 63 0 n/a 32 20 FD
CH - 17208 011 RC6 62 0 n/a 33 21 FD
SOURCE 02872 211 RC6 39 0 n/a 56 38 FD
OPTION 18488 016 RC6 31 64 n/a 64 40 FD
CC 14392 000 RC6 25 64 n/a 70 46 FD
MENU 43064 112 RC6 11 64 n/a 84 54 FD
up arrow 02104 208 RC6 7 64 n/a 88 58 FD
down arrow 00056 200 RC6 6 64 n/a 89 59 FD
left arrow 06200 224 RC6 5 64 n/a 90 5A FD
right arrow 04152 216 RC6 4 64 n/a 91 5B FD
OK 59448 176 RC6 3 64 n/a 92 5C FD
red/demo 24888 041 RC6 50 64 n/a 109 6D FD Function button for menus-also demo mode
green 31032 065 RC6 49 64 n/a 110 6E FD Function button for menus
yellow 28984 057 RC6 48 64 n/a 111 6F FD Function button for menus
blue 51512 145 RC6 47 64 n/a 112 70 FD Function button for menus
active control 46648 126 RC6 73 0 n/a 150 96 FD Continuous auto picture adjustment-basically sucks
guide 25656 044 RC6 83 64 n/a 204 CC FD
period 64568 196 RC6 70 64 n/a 217 D9 FD Decimal for ATSC channels
format 40248 101 RC6 106 64 n/a 245 F5 FD picture format: wide, 4x3, zoom etc
contrast - 03384 213 RC6 100 64 n/a 251 FB FD
contrast + 58680 173 RC6 99 64 n/a 252 FC FD
discrete off 62157 186 RC5 0 61 0 31 1F 08
discrete on 62149 186 RC5 0 63 0 31 1F 00
av1 59945 178 RC5 3 4 n/a 28 1C EC input discrete
av2 62173 186 RC5 0 57 0 31 1F 18
av3 60121 178 RC5 3 56 n/a 28 1C 1C
hdmi1 60125 178 RC5 3 57 0 28 1C 18 input discrete
hdmi2 59605 176 RC5 3 123 0 92 5C 10
hdmi3 59937 178 RC5 3 6 n/a 28 1C E4
side 60113 178 RC5 3 58 n/a 28 1C 14 input discrete
format auto 60109 178 RC5 3 61 0 28 1C 08 No other picture format discretes?
tuner 59417 176 RC5 3 72 n/a 92 5C DC input discrete
|
Last edited by mdavej on Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:48 am; edited 1 time in total |
|
Back to top |
|
|
3FG Expert
Joined: 19 May 2009 Posts: 3367
|
Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:54 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Bev,
The 6131 is a fairly old remote and PID 0184 in that remote is a RC6 executor. It is only used for setup codes Cable 0305 and 0317. In newer remotes PID 0184 (variant 2) is a RC5/RC6 Combo executor with considerably more flexibility. RemoteMaster uses the file Protocols.ini to keep information about executors, and for one reason or another, it doesn't have info about PID 0184 variant 1. That may because the 6131 also has a different RC6 executor which is PID 0058. That is supported.
You have several options. One is to ignore the message about alternate PIDs, and use the upgrade. Setup codes Cable 0305 and 0317 won't work, but I doubt you're using those. The downside of this is you'd be adding an executor that isn't needed, taking up 140 bytes of memory. It isn't needed because the upgrade actually only uses the RC6 protocol and only device 0. So a simple RC6 executor (like 0058) will work, and it is already resident in your remote.
I would do the following: Open RMIR and set it up for the 6131 (File\Remote\New Image), and on the devices tab select RC6 protocol. Open an instance of RM (I find it easier to open RemoteMaster rather than RMIR here), and load the Philips upgrade into it. Then doing one column at a time, highlight and copy the function names column and then the "6 OBC" column (not the EFCs or Hex data) into the RMIR instance.
Now you can save this as an RMDU file, and the whole remote setup as a RMIR file. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
mathdon Expert
Joined: 22 Jul 2008 Posts: 4523 Location: Cambridge, UK |
Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:04 am Post subject: |
|
|
The "alternate PID" option is very new to RM/RMIR, and has been added to deal precisely with this situation, an upgrade using a PID that is already in the remote for a different protocol (normally an earlier version of the same one). When you get the message, you should also get a field labelled "Alternate PID" into which you can enter whatever PID value you like. I suggest choosing a high one such as 01A0 to avoid further conflicts. You don't lose anything from the upgrade, it will just use this PID internally instead of the one in the upgrade. _________________ Graham |
|
Back to top |
|
|
The Robman Site Owner
Joined: 01 Aug 2003 Posts: 21238 Location: Chicago, IL |
Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:20 am Post subject: |
|
|
3FG wrote: | You have several options. One is to ignore the message about alternate PIDs, and use the upgrade. Setup codes Cable 0305 and 0317 won't work, but I doubt you're using those. |
Actually, that's not true because built-in setup codes only use built-in executors, they don't reach out to the EEPROM to check for upgrades. _________________ Rob
www.hifi-remote.com
Please don't PM me with remote questions, post them in the forums so all the experts can help! |
|
Back to top |
|
|
The Robman Site Owner
Joined: 01 Aug 2003 Posts: 21238 Location: Chicago, IL |
Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:38 am Post subject: |
|
|
mdavej wrote: | Forgive the terrible formatting. I can't seem to fix it. |
I fixed it. _________________ Rob
www.hifi-remote.com
Please don't PM me with remote questions, post them in the forums so all the experts can help! |
|
Back to top |
|
|
bevhoward
Joined: 24 Jun 2005 Posts: 248
|
Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:24 am Post subject: |
|
|
Thanks for all the information... will tackle it and see if I can get a working load.
>> old remote <<
just like me ;-)
What is the jp1 remote of choice at the moment?
I have the URC-6131 (3) and a URC-8820 and a URC-8910 and they all probably qualify as obsolete
Thanks again for all the responses,
Beverly Howard |
|
Back to top |
|
|
The Robman Site Owner
Joined: 01 Aug 2003 Posts: 21238 Location: Chicago, IL |
Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:21 pm Post subject: |
|
|
bevhoward wrote: | What is the jp1 remote of choice at the moment?
I have the URC-6131 (3) and a URC-8820 and a URC-8910 and they all probably qualify as obsolete |
The beauty of a JP1 remote is that it never becomes obsolete because you can keep adding new codes to it to make it control all of your devices. So, bottom line, there's no need to throw these remotes out just because they're old. I still use my 1999 vintage 15-1994 every day, and I've even bought spares just in case it ever breaks.
As for the current JP1 remotes, unfortunately UEI and/or OFA seem to have fallen asleep at the wheel as they're just not making that many new retail remotes, most new JP1 remotes seem to be cable remotes these days. _________________ Rob
www.hifi-remote.com
Please don't PM me with remote questions, post them in the forums so all the experts can help! |
|
Back to top |
|
|
bevhoward
Joined: 24 Jun 2005 Posts: 248
|
Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:46 am Post subject: Update and Questions |
|
|
An update in case it might be of interest plus a question.
Ignoring the "alternate pid" warning within the current RM beta seems to work. Initial device uploads to the remote seem to be working with no problems.
However, stumped by a problem;
1 - When I first installed RM, I was able to assign and reassign buttons by double clicking them and picking a function. This has stopped working after several uses and I wonder what changed?
Thanks in advance,
Beverly Howard |
|
Back to top |
|
|
mdavej Expert
Joined: 08 Oct 2003 Posts: 4501
|
Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:03 pm Post subject: |
|
|
There are several ways to assign functions to buttons in RM. Hovering over a function will also show a tool tip. Any of the following should work on the Buttons tab and Layout tab:
- Highlight a function cell or button on the left, then double-click a function on the right to assign.
- Drag from the right to the table or button on the left.
- R-click function cell or button and pick function from list.
- Click auto-assign to assign several at once to their default buttons.
Last edited by mdavej on Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:27 pm; edited 1 time in total |
|
Back to top |
|
|
bevhoward
Joined: 24 Jun 2005 Posts: 248
|
Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:25 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Thanks... that helped, so, I can continue to reassign.
Strange that the doubleclick stopped working though.
Thanks again,
Beverly Howard |
|
Back to top |
|
|
mdavej Expert
Joined: 08 Oct 2003 Posts: 4501
|
Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:29 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Are you saying if you click a cell in the Function column (not the button column) and then double-click a function in the grid to the right it still doesn't work? |
|
Back to top |
|
|
bevhoward
Joined: 24 Jun 2005 Posts: 248
|
Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:19 pm Post subject: |
|
|
>> Are you saying if you click a cell in the Function column (not the button column) and then double-click a function in the grid to the right it still doesn't work? <<
No... your previous post got me back to a working understanding.
Dragging works and highlighting a function cell and double clicking the button list to the right both work.
I also finally just discovered that the confuser was that it is possible (in the current beta) to double click a cell in the function column and get a popup list of functions to select.
I was (incorrectly) remembering that I had gotten that list double clicking a selection list of functions to the right.
The mud thins a bit more ;-)
Thanks,
Beverly Howard |
|
Back to top |
|
|
mathdon Expert
Joined: 22 Jul 2008 Posts: 4523 Location: Cambridge, UK |
Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:17 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Please see this post, and the few that precede it, for more info about the Alternate PID field, which seems in this thread to be being treated as something best ignored. _________________ Graham |
|
Back to top |
|
|
bevhoward
Joined: 24 Jun 2005 Posts: 248
|
Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:56 pm Post subject: |
|
|
>> Please see this post, and the few that precede it, for more info about the Alternate PID field, which seems in this thread to be being treated as something best ignored. <<
While it seems to be a significant issue, it is difficult to understand what is going on, even after reading the referenced thread.
I tried your suggestion of using 01A0 as an alternate pid, but the message still remains, so, it is not clear what entering it does and if it makes any difference.
Beverly Howard |
|
Back to top |
|
|
|